The problem with the mentor system

[RajNish]

But 2,000 dungeons can you also to farm?

This will require many hours of play. Even if someone decides to farm 50's Ex's uncync every day for many hours... No one will do this for the the watering can icon, glasses or book. Plus, one way or another, having completed 2000 dungeons, these people will understand the basic mechanics.

What do you mean by "relevant content"?

ARR, Heavensward, Stormblood and Shadowbringers, including dungeons and trials, same as in the current system.

[SoranRigel]

And who is to say that only sprouts need help? Why restrict the Novice Network to only sprouts and returnees?
FF seems to go out of its way to isolate people. No method to apply to Free Companies in game, no way to talk with people in the world beyond your local area...

We don't need a crown or a special network to help others.
This is really strange in FFXIV, because any member of the group, in theory, should be willing to help. This is in our common interest. So FFXIV is essentially the most antisocial game I've ever played. This is very sad.

[Illy_Peridot]

Just because a mentor might not be super experienced on a job they are playing doesn't mean they can't help with OTHER jobs that newbies might be playing, or help with knowledge of mechanics in dungeons etc.

They can still help people with many things, so why turn it off?

I mean, they can also help people without having the crown on too? I only have mine on when I do my mentor roulettes because it slaps it on me, and I still help people when I don't have the crown on otherwise.

[Neoom]

You can be a mentor in full gear on an unfamiliar class and be tunnel visioning so hard you miss mechanics. Not only can this be a thing but I'm pretty sure every mentor and player knows exactly what I'm talking about, first hand.

^This, since as someone who used a lot of time to max all classes to 80, I still don't know all of them better than basics of the class. I don't have full rotation or how to play on lvl80 content as that class to the full potential. For example, I play casters 99,9% of the time, mostly healers. I know how all those 6 work and to play them to their max potential on 80. But I can't wrap my head around any of the melee classes no matter how I smack a dummy, but it's fine since everyone can have a main class right? Even mentors. Me having all to 80 doesn't mean I know all the jobs perfectly and will put out the best dps no matter what class I play, it means, I had time in my hand and I like leveling classes. I don't have to know all them, only the ones I play more than often. But I can still go mess around in casual content as a melee and try my best to do well, but I can't be held against a wall and say ''You're a mentor why are you so bad at samurai???''. Everyone will play random classes to mix things up every once in a while, even mentors. They aren't perfect 100% of the time and on all classes they max out, and that is not what they agree on either. Being an example doesn't mean ''Be 100% perfect and know your rotation from start to finish no mistakes''.
Let mentors make mistakes, they're human too, just like everyone else. And before this is taken out of context, I don't mean mistakes as trying to sabotage or purposefully ruin the duty.

[SoranRigel]

^This, since as someone who used a lot of time to max all classes to 80, I still don't know all of them better than basics of the class. I don't have full rotation or how to play on lvl80 content as that class to the full potential. For example, I play casters 99,9% of the time, mostly healers. I know how all those 6 work and to play them to their max potential on 80. But I can't wrap my head around any of the melee classes no matter how I smack a dummy, but it's fine since everyone can have a main class right? Even mentors. Me having all to 80 doesn't mean I know all the jobs perfectly and will put out the best dps no matter what class I play, it means, I had time in my hand and I like leveling classes. I don't have to know all them, only the ones I play more than often. But I can still go mess around in casual content as a melee and try my best to do well, but I can't be held against a wall and say ''You're a mentor why are you so bad at samurai???''. Everyone will play random classes to mix things up every once in a while, even mentors. They aren't perfect 100% of the time and on all classes they max out, and that is not what they agree on either. Being an example doesn't mean ''Be 100% perfect and know your rotation from start to finish no mistakes''.
Let mentors make mistakes, they're human too, just like everyone else. And before this is taken out of context, I don't mean mistakes as trying to sabotage or purposefully ruin the duty.

If you 're feeling insecure in your class, a good solution would be not to wear the crown, right?

Otherwise it turns out that mentors should not know mechanics, should not know their class - they do not owe anything to anyone at all. But the crown is for some reason worn.

[RyuSaarva]

Otherwise it turns out that mentors should not know mechanics, should not know their class - they do not owe anything to anyone at all. But the crown is for some reason worn.

yes that is correct, the only thing mentors need is the will to help people, such as telling them that game has limitbreaks or when they get the first mout.

[SoranRigel]

yes that is correct, the only thing mentors need is the will to help people, such as telling them that game has limitbreaks or when they get the first mout.

In that case, these measures -

1. Replace the icon with something more neutral: a book, glasses, a watering can.
2. Focus on the number of completed dungeons for PVE mentors (2,000 dungeons, for example), completed role quests and completed relevant content.
3. A separate option for reporting on mentors.
4. A working blacklist that will allow you to no longer meet with these "mentors" and other bad players in the roulette groups.

- are really needed.
It is unlikely that people who have passed over 2,000 dungeons will be unsure of mechanics, and the button of complaint against the mentor, who was not ashamed to wear the crown insulting newbies and not performing their obligations, will be a good "cold shower."
'Сause by accepting the agreement on what the duties of a mentor are, the player assumes obligations.
And the words that mentors are not obliged to anyone, unfortunately, do not work.

[Neoom]

They aren't perfect 100% of the time and on all classes they max out, and that is not what they agree on either. Being an example doesn't mean ''Be 100% perfect and know your rotation from start to finish no mistakes''.
Let mentors make mistakes, they're human too, just like everyone else.

Since you missed this I'm gonna quote myself
Even if I don't know how to play melee doesn't mean I can't help with casters, my help is still help even if I'm not playing the class in the current duty, it doesn't remove my knowledge just because I want to try out different classes sometimes. Mentor's can learn new things too, they can learn new classes too and can't be perfect from the start. But while they're learning they can still help with other classes/dungeons/anything help is needed in.
I can see mentors will never be good enough for you since you expect 100% perfection that can only be achieved with an AI and maybe that's mentors need to be then, humans can't stop making mistakes even if they're ''the elite helpers'' like you name them.

[seraf]

I'll give Dungeon/Trial or Raid advice if I see problems reoccurring. If I see someone make mistakes playing their Job I'll give advice. But the moment I get a response that says "Don't tell me how to play my job" I just let them make mistakes at that point.

More often than not you get the "Don't tell me how to play" response or you get absolutely nothing in return. Very rarely do you get a "Oh cool I didn't know that thanks!" reply.

[RajNish]

But while they're learning they can still help with other classes/dungeons/anything help is needed in.

No one asks mentors to be perfect. Enough basic mechanics, which is completely obvious. Don’t stay in AOE, wait until the tank pulls, kill adds as soon as possible if needed. And this does not apply to accidental mistakes. But I have seen many times how the people with the crown do the exact opposite. I don’t know for what reason, but it doesn’t seem like a good game, instead they make more problems for group.

I'll give Dungeon/Trial or Raid advice if I see problems reoccurring. If I see someone make mistakes playing their Job I'll give advice. But the moment I get a response that says "Don't tell me how to play my job" I just let them make mistakes at that point.

More often than not you get the "Don't tell me how to play" response or you get absolutely nothing in return. Very rarely do you get a "Oh cool I didn't know that thanks!" reply.

I am not a mentor, but I also try to help if I see problems. Some people refuse, some thanks. I don't really care about that, to be honest. If someone listened and we finished the dungeon well, everything is okay. If not ... I will do my best to finish the with minimal losses. This is a game, so a player’s refusal to take advice does not upset me too much.