The problem with the mentor system

[RajNish]

You are implying that an unavoidable pothole exists that every single driver will hit so they "have" to fix it, no statistics needed because "everyone hits the pothole".

Where exactly did I say "everyone"? Where did I say "unavoidable"? Please do not misinterpret my words. I said that the system can and should be changed, in my opinion. You said: "I just personally don't think it would change anything, but that is my opinion". Our points of view diverge. It’s okay, but please do not try to devote me to your religion, because you also do not have information how many reports come to GM’s.

[Miste]

Where exactly did I say "everyone"? Where did I say "unavoidable"? Please do not misinterpret my words. I said that the system can and should be changed, in my opinion. You said: "I just personally don't think it would change anything, but that is my opinion". Our points of view diverge. It’s okay, but please do not try to devote me to your religion, because you also do not have information how many reports come to GM’s.

I'm not trying to devote you to my religion?????????????????????????????????????????????????? You are replying to me so I am replying to you....you replied to me first remember? You tried to counter my metaphor, but problem is you didn't read my post carefully enough so your metaphor wasn't relevant to mine. I tried to answer it anyway, but it still wasn't relevant to my original post.

I never said the system can't and shouldn't be changed. So again this is you not reading what I am saying. I said that SE could try changing the icon from a crown to something else, sure go for it, but my opinion is it won't change anything because players who are jerks will be jerks no matter what.

Your metaphor just leads us back to square one, because again, you don't know if the majority of players in FFXIV have a negative experience with the system, and YES of course I don't know how many reports are sent in, or how much good the system does, neither do you. That's the whole point.

Like I said already, my original post was specifically talking about people who want the entire system deleted simply because "I had a negative experience, so delete it". I am not saying the system can't be improved or fixes added, but it depends on if SE sees this as necessary and one of the things that would help them decide would be real statistics.

You keep replying to me about "fixes" or "changes" when that wasn't even the point of my original post. So, why are you replying to me?? It's really your initial fault that you are arguing in circles with me. You didn't read my original post thoroughly enough and assumed I was against fixes or changes when I am not, and not listening to me when I clarified multiple times. You replied to me first, and you are 100% replying to me for no reason right from the get go, so I find it super silly you are claiming I am trying to devote you to my religion. I am not sure why you felt the need to say something like that at all really. /shrug

[SoranRigel]

@Miste
The dispute using metaphors is dangerous because metaphors are always not accurate enough. Leave the statistics for SE. By the way, excessive emotionality can also lead to the fact that you will be misunderstood.

[RajNish]

I said that SE could try changing the icon from a crown to something else, sure go for it, but my opinion is it won't change anything because players who are jerks will be jerks no matter what.

At least, these jerks will not "farm" for the crown, will not become mentors and will not spoil the reputation of good mentors.

So, why are you replying to me?

Because you replying to me? People talk to each other. It is very simple. But you may not reply to this message. I didn’t mean to offend you. Have a nice day!

[Miste]

At least, these jerks will not "farm" for the crown, will not become mentors and will not spoil the reputation of good mentors.

I really don't think it matters what icon it is. No matter what icon they pick it still holds meaning inside the game and jerks may still "farm" for it. But I agree it would be worth trying.

Because you replying to me? People talk to each other. It is very simple. But you may not reply to this message. I didn’t mean to offend you. Have a nice day!

You didn't offend me?

Our points of view diverge. It’s okay, but please do not try to devote me to your religion

This just made me think you were offended by my replies actually, you are basically telling me here "stop replying to me". So I asked why you replied to me in the first place then, understand now?

People talk to each other, yup, but you should pay more attention about how relevant something is to the discussion before you say it.

@Miste
The dispute using metaphors is dangerous because metaphors are always not accurate enough. Leave the statistics for SE. By the way, excessive emotionality can also lead to the fact that you will be misunderstood.

My metaphor works.

Trying to look at something logically is opposite of emotional. So incorrect assumption again on your part.

[SoranRigel]

I really don't think it matters what icon it is. No matter what icon they pick it still holds meaning inside the game and jerks may still "farm" for it. But I agree it would be worth trying.

Was it my impression, or do you admit that "the reward for help" system is broken?

[Miste]

Was it my impression, or do you admit that "the reward for help" system is broken?

I didn't say "the reward for help system is broken", so I think you misunderstood. I was talking about the crown icon being changed into something else instead. As I said multiple times now SE could try that.

Rewards in the system I don't know if it was a good idea, but that is just my on the fly opinion. I don't have much strong opinion on it either way, as long as mentors are polite, kind, and help people clear content the reward being there is fine. That might not always be the case though, not enough information to know how much problems it causes.

I'm very interested in what kind of help could be offered by the mentor who now was putting AOE under other players and breaking the mechanics in Arboretum (hard).
Oh, yes, it's just an "one-time experience."

This is very very wrong.

Human beings are not perfect. It is impossible for someone to do everything perfectly. Expecting mentors to be 100% perfect at the game, every encounter, every dungeon, every boss, every job rotation, every mechanic?

No one on this planet is perfect. Your expectations are way too high, to the point of ridiculousness.