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    Crushnight's Avatar
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    Jets Down
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    Who else is worried about SE and Ast?

    I am starting to get worried SE/the devs are going to do something fundementally stupid in 5.2 and buff Ast again.

    I do not want buffs for Ast at all.

    It already has the strongest raid dps out of the healers by a good amount, its healing is fine(Nocturnal is Nocturnal) can certainly do everything that 5.2 will release with.

    Yet I have a horrible feeling the devs will buff Ast just to improve their numbers.

    I do not want a repeat of HW healer debacle it was not good back then it won't be good now.

    There are major flaws with current Ast but it doesn't need a boost at all in its healing, dps, or its cards. Leave potency roughly where they are if you do any skill changing >_<

    Mp economy is about the only thing that really can be improved without any major changes just leave it at that devs pls I beg you, do not overbuff Ast again. We don't need it.
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    Makani Risvertasashi
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    Going to be honest, I am a bit worried about this.

    The problem is how AST plays, how it feels. I hope SE doesn't interpret those issues as "we need to make AST even stronger."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Risvertasashi View Post
    Going to be honest, I am a bit worried about this.

    The problem is how AST plays, how it feels. I hope SE doesn't interpret those issues as "we need to make AST even stronger."
    All of this. The only thing AST needs is MP improvements; THAT’S IT. No more, no less right now.
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    Kuwago Riegan
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    Quote Originally Posted by HyperiusUltima View Post
    All of this. The only thing AST needs is MP improvements; THAT’S IT. No more, no less right now.
    MP management for sure, some could even argue and hope for a small Bard-Treatment with the cards to make it somewhat diverse.

    Personally, hoping to get at least Time Dilation or Celestial Opposition's old effect reinstated to help with MP Management.
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    Kurenai Tenshi
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    Quote Originally Posted by HyperiusUltima View Post
    All of this. The only thing AST needs is MP improvements; THAT’S IT. No more, no less right now.
    Eh. I think the card system needs to be reconsidered. Changing it from Stormblood has not exactly sat well with a lot of people.
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    "Stand in the ashes of a trillion dead souls and ask the ghosts if honor matters."
    "The silence is your answer."


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    I honestly not liking the new card system at all. I would take the old system back in a heartbeat but I know that's very unlikely. The new system is just very boring. If the new system was to try and reduce the "RNG" then it missed the mark. You're still having the same RNG dealing with seals now.

    Also Malefic cast time being 1.45s and recast being 2.43s (for me) feels bad. I know why they did this but that doesn't change how it just feels bad to sit and cast that over and over without being able to start the "pre-cast" before the previous spell cast has finished like you can with WHM Glare.

    In short, I'll never play AST as a healer in end-game progress. WHM and SCH still feel stronger with heals and over all damage. My other healing partner in my static started off this savage content on AST and changed to SCH because of this.
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    Evelynn Outreguerlain
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    Diabolos
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krojack View Post
    I honestly not liking the new card system at all. I would take the old system back in a heartbeat but I know that's very unlikely. The new system is just very boring. If the new system was to try and reduce the "RNG" then it missed the mark. You're still having the same RNG dealing with seals now.

    Also Malefic cast time being 1.45s and recast being 2.43s (for me) feels bad. I know why they did this but that doesn't change how it just feels bad to sit and cast that over and over without being able to start the "pre-cast" before the previous spell cast has finished like you can with WHM Glare.

    In short, I'll never play AST as a healer in end-game progress. WHM and SCH still feel stronger with heals and over all damage. My other healing partner in my static started off this savage content on AST and changed to SCH because of this.
    With the malefic thing, I gotta disagree with you there chief, that's something I adore about AST, with how easy it is to weave in all their oGCDs (so long as you're not constantly targetswapping *cough*cardsysten*cough*) If there was SOMETHING about healers I wanted homogenized, it would be that. Especially for WHM, WHM is so fucked whenever they need to weave in abilities since they don't really have a dedicated button for it like SCH or a short cast time like AST and malefic.
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    Make SCH great again! Seriously though, we just want our class to be fun and engaging again, not OP, is that too much to ask for?

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    Mitsuki Akiyumi
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krojack View Post
    I honestly not liking the new card system at all. I would take the old system back in a heartbeat but I know that's very unlikely. The new system is just very boring. If the new system was to try and reduce the "RNG" then it missed the mark. You're still having the same RNG dealing with seals now.

    Also Malefic cast time being 1.45s and recast being 2.43s (for me) feels bad. I know why they did this but that doesn't change how it just feels bad to sit and cast that over and over without being able to start the "pre-cast" before the previous spell cast has finished like you can with WHM Glare.

    In short, I'll never play AST as a healer in end-game progress. WHM and SCH still feel stronger with heals and over all damage. My other healing partner in my static started off this savage content on AST and changed to SCH because of this.
    I actually like how you can weave the OGCD's with casting malefic it's got that rhythm and smoothness feeling. What I "Hate" with a burning passion is the card system as it stands. I'm not mad it got nerfed into the ground, I'm mad at how hard I have to work my ass off with it. I enjoy the difficulty in it but there's no feeling of reward or noticeable effort unless you're the type to constantly care about numbers. Yes I feel damn proud when I do good effort but it's just gives me a sick feeling in my stomach at the same time.
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    Kurenai Tenshi
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krojack View Post
    Also Malefic cast time being 1.45s and recast being 2.43s (for me) feels bad. I know why they did this but that doesn't change how it just feels bad to sit and cast that over and over without being able to start the "pre-cast" before the previous spell cast has finished like you can with WHM Glare.
    Throwing my hat into the pile here too. The 1.5 cast on Malefic is heavenly, and I have long been begging they homogenize it across all three healers. White Mage is awful when it comes to weaving because you only have select few options. If no one needs a healer and you don't have Swift, your only option is Dia. Putting that faster cast on Glare would be amazing. Even if they knocked off some potency, I wouldn't even care.
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    "The silence is your answer."


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    Rai Nagisei
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    Jenova
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    Quote Originally Posted by ForteNightshade View Post
    Throwing my hat into the pile here too. The 1.5 cast on Malefic is heavenly, and I have long been begging they homogenize it across all three healers. White Mage is awful when it comes to weaving because you only have select few options. If no one needs a healer and you don't have Swift, your only option is Dia. Putting that faster cast on Glare would be amazing. Even if they knocked off some potency, I wouldn't even care.
    I'd like the other healers to get it too, however if they do, I think AST should have perma insta casts to their damage abilities and rework lightspeed or leave it as a healer free movement cooldown.
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