Tanks Not Using Emnity Skill.In Dungeons

[Schan]

I have a tank enmity-related question that I suppose here is as good as anywhere, and may sound horribly noobish, as I'm not a tank player, usually. Say I am the off tank in a trial, and the main tank obviously has their enmity on. Do I bother turning mine on at all during the fight, save for any adds that appear? I only ask because I've been told in trial to do so by some, and not to do so by others, leaving me somewhat confused and second guessing myself. >.<

Depends on the fight. Some mechanics have a tank buster that will target the person with the second highest emnity (aggro) in the list. If it's the off tank you pop a cooldown, if you let a DPS take it they'll probably get badly hurt. I like to start the fight without tank stance and turn it on after a few attacks have been used.

When i'm with randoms i sometimes try to build as much aggro as possible so i can shirk to the MT since you never know with random tanks and I figured any help giving them an emnity lead would be nice. However this is still very much debatable since me and my friends are constantly debating this. A lot of people consider it a ahole move to rip aggro off the MT straight off the bat despite the intention being to help them generate a bigger emnity lead in the long run. Probably an old fashioned mindset from when shirk was first introduced and keeping tanks off the tank stance was the main goal if you wanted to push dps in end game content /shrug

[RitsukoSonoda]

I have a tank enmity-related question that I suppose here is as good as anywhere, and may sound horribly noobish, as I'm not a tank player, usually. Say I am the off tank in a trial, and the main tank obviously has their enmity on. Do I bother turning mine on at all during the fight, save for any adds that appear? I only ask because I've been told in trial to do so by some, and not to do so by others, leaving me somewhat confused and second guessing myself. >.<

Generally what I do if someone else wants to main on these is turn mine on after they do 2-3 enmity rotations. Aside from that there really isn't any reason for either tank to turn it off due to provoke and shirk since it no longer penalizes damage output.

[Moonlite]

Also remember while it has changed. What about all the old guides floating around about proper tanking and making sure you don't lower your dps by having it on. It is not like those guides are updated every expansion. Or the glass is half empty and they are trolls.

[Mhaeric]

Keeping it on as the off tank is okay to do, assuming you go a few rounds without it to let the main tank build up a buffer so you don't accidentally pull hate when you don't want it. Keeping it on like this makes it marginally easier to pick up hate if the main tank happens to die, since it will likely automatically turn to you. That said, it's not necessary by any means since it takes at most a single GCD to get hate if that happens when you haven't been using it. There is some content that requires both tanks be at the top of whatever enmity lists there are, but most don't.

tl;dr - use tank stance as OT or don't, either works for most content.

[SannaR]

I had to move where i have my stance as I'd end up pulling big groups and accidentally turning it off during my aoe combo spam. The only time I've had other tanks steal hate from me is if they go out of their way to use provoke or they have better gear than I do even synced down. Now the thing I tend to see is tanks doing is not using cool downs or using provoke at odd times like on bosses when they clearly should have hate, but it's a boss that acts like the 2nd boss from Quarn. Or a boss that turns around to do a targeted move. That and never using reprisal like ever.

[VenKitsune]

SE can't do much to make it even more idiot proof than it already is. It's already taught in the hall of the novice. Just tell anyone who doesnt understand how it works...how it works. They dont listen? Then kick them, simple as that.

[Pintsized]

Okay, I get it that new players sometimes don't know about the enmity skills even though the Training quest chain should have taught them, that's why I noted that the players doing this are not at the base level for the instance, they're at the sync level so likely this is not their first or second dungeon.

Also, I agree that the dropping of buffs when synced means you can easily forget to re-enable them at the start of a dungeon, I've done that myself at times, but that doesn't explain why the tank in the run my friend left turned it off after turning it on when prodded.

Thanks for the comments, I posted this in case there was a good reason why a tank who after turning this skill on would turn it off, or at times refusing to do so after being asked more than once, would turn it off; the answer seems to be the obvious 'no'.

[LaylaTsarra]

I run tons of content and this rarely happens. When it does it's usually a new to tanking person. Generally when that happens they'll turn it on after being told they should.

[Barraind]

It has to do with how searches work.

If you're new to tanking and search "how to tank better in ff14" all but 2 results on the first page say to go into tank stance to pull threat and then drop tank stance. The two from post-shb dont say the skill changed, and the only one that mentions tank stance at all is buried in a reddit comment. If you're actually wanting to be prepared going in, you'll get significantly outdated information that was all correct for it's time, but isnt now.

What would be fantastic is if tank stances didnt drop on level sync.

[Thestias]

I don't tank much anymore, but I'm absolutely guilty of going through entire dungeons with tank stance off because I always forget that syncing lower toggles it and, unlike when I'm playing astro and half of my abilities depend on having a sect on, there's nothing dependent on it to remind me that I don't have it on unless someone says something to me lol. I always try to double-check but sometimes I get too excited and just...don't, rip