Tanks Not Using Emnity Skill.In Dungeons

[Pintsized]

A friend of mine who started playing in the autumn when I returned after taking a break at the end of Heavens Ward has found several times times in the early leveling dungeons that tanks at sync level aren't using their emnity boost skill (Iron Will, Defiance, etc.) even after being asked more than once, or sometimes they turn it on the off again.

He just left a party as healer because emnity was all over the place and healing a nightmare due to the tank refusing to use Defiance. This was in Tam-Tara but he's had as high as Halatali at least.

I've not done any low dungeons for a long time so haven't see it myself. Apart from being a jerk, is there any valid reason for this, it certainly wasn't a 'thing' when I was playing last time.

[Seraphor]

Newbies who don't understand how it works. I've seen tanks who seem to toggle it on/off with each pull, apparently thinking it's an ability they need to use every pull.

[TheMightyMollusk]

I have seen a few cases where a tank who's level synched forgets that the synch turns off the stance. A friendly reminder is usually enough.

IF they're refusing to use it at all, then they might still be operating on the idea that the stance reduces their damage. That was removed in 5.0, but a returner might've missed the note.

[EpicOverlord85]

A friend of mine who started playing in the autumn when I returned after taking a break at the end of Heavens Ward has found several times times in the early leveling dungeons that tanks at sync level aren't using their emnity boost skill (Iron Will, Defiance, etc.) even after being asked more than once, or sometimes they turn it on the off again.

He just left a party as healer because emnity was all over the place and healing a nightmare due to the tank refusing to use Defiance. This was in Tam-Tara but he's had as high as Halatali at least.

I've not done any low dungeons for a long time so haven't see it myself. Apart from being a jerk, is there any valid reason for this, it certainly wasn't a 'thing' when I was playing last time.

It’s kind of sad that even after Square dumbed down Tank aggro about as far as it can go people are still finding ways to botch it. Ahh well that’s just people I suppose.

[Hatfright]

Some new players who never played tank before might just be ignorant.
If someone turning stance on and off, it's probably a missclick — saw that a few times, and if not, then just tell them they don't need to press this skill all the time.
I've met one newbie Gladiator in Sastasha who was pretty much oblivious about stance, despite finishing Hall of Novice for tanks (could tell that from her gear). Told her about Iron Will, and things went pretty good from here.
Just ask tanks after first pull, and if it doesn't work, elaborate why they need to turn stance on. That's it. 2 minutes of typing or 20 minutes of suffering — it's an easy call.
Problems starts when it's a level 50+ dungeon, tank don't know what a stance is and just doesn't understand any of 4 languages in autotranslate. There, I'm afraid, only option is either leaving or kicking said tank.

[Halivel]

Well, there are few possible reasons:

1. They are newbeyers and don't know yet what is this stance even yet;
2. They forget that the stance drops down when level is synced and should re-enabled manually.

Both can go in combination or separately. As for them ignoring messages in chat... next time this happens check their interface language. Considering you are at Phoenix, you can just bump into French/Deutsch players who doesn't know English. Or can bump into somebody who's from neither of "localized" countries and still doesn't know English. The painful reality of EU servers.

The only weird part is your mention about them turning on and turning off the stance... this sounds like trolling tbh, though there is a possibility they geniunely don't understand what they're doing wrong.

[ryouma17]

square can remedy this by adding a new trait to tanks that automatically turns tank stance on when your lvl 15 or above and make it so you cant turn it off

[Schan]

Not sure if it's people who are returning and aren't aware that tank stance dancing is not a thing anymore, tanks that forget that going into a dungeon (synched) removes their tank stance or people just being new and not knowing tank stance is a thing.

[EpicOverlord85]

square can remedy this by adding a new trait to tanks that automatically turns tank stance on when your lvl 15 or above and make it so you cant turn it off

That wouldn’t work sadly, it would cause multi tank fights to digress into constant aggro dancing due to both tanks not being able to stop generating threat towards the target. I guess it might work if they retooled shirk and and gave it a smaller cool down, but I think it works pretty well as is.

[ryouma17]

That wouldn’t work sadly, it would cause multi tank fights to digress into constant aggro dancing due to both tanks not being able to stop generating threat towards the target. I guess it might work if they retooled shirk and and gave it a smaller cool down, but I think it works pretty well as is.

they could make it work for duty finder only, premade groups can turn it off and on for the highend raids