Quote Originally Posted by Vidu View Post
While non of the plans were that detailed, Astrids missed one very important detail to me: The distinction between "Hey, is there something you've met through your work that you could imagine spending more time with?" and "Okay, there must be women somewhere in your work envoriment, lets hit on some!"
Sadly, what Astrid did is the later: She didnt ask Ywain if he was intrested in Geva (or anyone else in the leatherworker guild) and she didnt make sure that Geva was open for a relationship (shes married with two kids, so... probably no).

The problem with Astrids suggestion that many people seem to have - according to what I've read at least is that "finding love in the workplace" is okay, but just randomly hitting on people that you work with is just bad, bad, bad. And to me her suggestion sounded a lot like "just hitting on random people" and it turned out to be excatly that.

There is nothign wrong with a "natural" relationship at work, but thats not what Astrid was getting at - and it has nothing to do with her plan not being laid out in detail, it would have been very easy to ask "Hey, can you think of anyone at work you like?" instead of just presenting him the first female they happen to run into. Astrid is actively encouraging him to make such unwanted advances, hes obviously not the type for that - being extremly shy and insecure. You're right, he isnt a creeper - but Astrid is trying very hard to turn him into one.

Someone else mentioned before that her plan is the only one that includes at least talking to women and "practising" that in a sense - but is the workplace really the right place for that...?
Oh, I like your post, thanks for the response.

I want to take a small step back. The way I understand the major complaint is Astrid one the vote everywhere for reasons other than her plan which was the worst of the three. While I do agree it's likely she won for reasons other than the merits of her plan, I personally don't think she had the worst plan but in my opinion the best. However, since this thread is about the vote I don't think it fair to consider the results of the plan as that was unknown at the time of the vote.

I could be dumb and/or naive, but I didn't take "begin your search" to mean randomly hit on people. See my second post on beginning the search in a non-creepy way.

I do agree with the sentiments of your last sentence. If you look at the plans at their highest level both Burt's and Rod's plans could be summarized the same way, improve yourself to help you find love, which is a very passive approach. Astrid, on the other hand, had a much more active plan. She was all like, "Go looking and put yourself out there boy." I firmly believe to find love you do have to put yourself out there.

The fact that she suggested it at the workplace doesn't bother me. Typically professional adults are in a field they have an interest or passion about. This gives you a potential common ground for the people around you, both coworkers and clients, which can be a good starting place for any type of relationship. Of course, it has to be done appropriately. Obviously, Astrid didn't execute her plan well at all, but we couldn't know that at the time of the vote, and I don't think her plan in and of itself was any worst than the other two. Just my (unpopular) opinion.