Valentines day event fail

[Alleo]

I certainly get that people wanted more variety in the winners or for xyz to win. I just don’t get all the hate for Astrid’s plan. None of the plans were that detailed, and to me they all seemed about the same level of good/bad. I mean we can constantly whip out or tomestone like a smartphone. Why didn’t someone tell him to get on Eorzean Tinder and start swiping right?

Because her advice included clients. It also includes just flirting around which could mean that you are hitting on people that are already in a relationship (which is what happened). Its not like she said: Well if you fall in love with someone even if they are your co-worker show it to them. No she was more like: Just flirt with clients. The other examples have him at least try out something new which in turn can make his life better even if he does not find love. If he knows himself better and looks out for himself then he will make his life better and maybe makes him interesting for others. If he finds a hobby he may finally live a life outside of just work, meet more people (even if they are not love interests) and thus gain more experience.

Astrid was like: Do as you always do, just randomly flirt with clients too..even if that might destroy your business if it goes wrong..

[Katalyn]

Because her advice included clients. It also includes just flirting around which could mean that you are hitting on people that are already in a relationship (which is what happened). Its not like she said: Well if you fall in love with someone even if they are your co-worker show it to them. No she was more like: Just flirt with clients. The other examples have him at least try out something new which in turn can make his life better even if he does not find love. If he knows himself better and looks out for himself then he will make his life better and maybe makes him interesting for others. If he finds a hobby he may finally live a life outside of just work, meet more people (even if they are not love interests) and thus gain more experience.

Astrid was like: Do as you always do, just randomly flirt with clients too..even if that might destroy your business if it goes wrong..

I find it interesting you only respond to my first paragraph when the second deals with your objection. So I will put it out here again as I believe it deals with the main issue I have with those who are not fond of Astrid’ plan. There seems to be this assumption if he looks for love at work he is going to be creepy about it and cause problems. However, in the other scenarios he won’t be creepy. I mean the man is either a creep or not. You can’t have it both ways. :P

We could be dealing with different translations but the NA/English version she doesn’t advise him to flirt with clients but instead begin his search among them. Flirt and begin a search are two vey different things. He might be very curt and reserved at work. He could begin his search simply by opening up a little more, casual conversation, and seeing if there are any connections there. Again there is a right way and wrong way to do things. To assume he will do things the wrong way in the scenario you don’t like but the right way in the scenario you do like is a little disingenuous.

[Alleo]

I find it interesting you only respond to my first paragraph when the second deals with your objection. So I will put it out here again as I believe it deals with the main issue I have with those who are not fond of Astrid’ plan. There seems to be this assumption if he looks for love at work he is going to be creepy about it and cause problems. However, in the other scenarios he won’t be creepy. I mean the man is either a creep or not. You can’t have it both ways. :P

I did not include it because I dont care if it could lead to creepy situations or not. IMO one should simply not give such an advice to someone completely new to love. What would search among them include then? When they went to Geva he talks about love. Its not like Astrid gave him much help there either.

In the end her advice only managed to make it awkward between him and Geva and to introduce him to the worst NPC of the whole game..but since neither Astrid or Lisette have a problem with abusing men its a success..and such an ending for a event that is all about love.

I do agree with the sentiments of your last sentence. If you look at the plans at their highest level both Burt's and Rod's plans could be summarized the same way, improve yourself to help you find love, which is a very passive approach. Astrid, on the other hand, had a much more active plan. She was all like, "Go looking and put yourself out there boy." I firmly believe to find love you do have to put yourself out there.

Improving oneself is not really passive. You have to take the steps to start to learn about yourself. And if you know what you want you will know what you want in a relationship. I mean he does not even know what type of person he likes. How would he even find one? Randomly doing it until its a success? Bert is also active because he has to step out of his comfort zone and search for something else to do next to work. People having the same hobbies are often great ways to start a relationship. He also can train to talk and interact with more people too. Astrid plan was to just go to Geva (she did not even ask him if he liked her) and let him hit on her. Which could have ended very badly for their business relationship. That honestly does sound like he just should hit on someone and not at least on those he already has some feelings for..and 100% never talk about love when you barely even know them.

I’m legitimately surprised this thread is still active.

Posts like that also keep it active.

[Katalyn]

I must be bad at writing because I feel people keep missing my main point. So one last try.

I did not include it because I dont care if it could lead to creepy situations or not. IMO one should simply not give such an advice to someone completely new to love. What would search among them include then? When they went to Geva he talks about love. Its not like Astrid gave him much help there either.

In the end her advice only managed to make it awkward between him and Geva and to introduce him to the worst NPC of the whole game..but since neither Astrid or Lisette have a problem with abusing men its a success..and such an ending for a event that is all about love.

I agree the end results of Astrid's plan were bad. However, this thread was (is?) about the vote with a number of people stating Astrid's plan was the worst which compounded their frustration with her winning everywhere. My point is her plan, as briefly detailed in the vote quest, was not so fundamentally flawed as to warrant that criticism and that people, including myself, could have legitimately cast their vote for her based on the merit of her plan.

I was glad to see I was not the only one who thought searching for love at work didn't mean just hitting on anyone. As I said previously, a good way to search would simply have been to open up. Ywain came across as the reserved type so just have normal conversations with the folks he is around daily and get to know them while also letting them get to know him. This is generally how any type of relationship begins. Now since Ywain is inexperienced we were counting on Astrid to suitably guide him. Obviously, she failed, but again I don't think this was apparent from the voting portion.

Improving oneself is not really passive. You have to take the steps to start to learn about yourself. And if you know what you want you will know what you want in a relationship. I mean he does not even know what type of person he likes. How would he even find one? Randomly doing it until its a success? Bert is also active because he has to step out of his comfort zone and search for something else to do next to work.

I agree self-improvement is active. Active/passive was a poor choice of words on my part. I should have said direct/indirect. Astrid had a direct plan of action as compared to the other two. As far as how he knows what he likes or how he would find someone, I'd say going out there meeting people and interacting with people to see who he clicks with and who he doesn't. You might even call that searching.

People having the same hobbies are often great ways to start a relationship. He also can train to talk and interact with more people too. Astrid plan was to just go to Geva (she did not even ask him if he liked her) and let him hit on her. Which could have ended very badly for their business relationship. That honestly does sound like he just should hit on someone and not at least on those he already has some feelings for..and 100% never talk about love when you barely even know them.

I agree hobbies are a good way to start a hobby. I believe this is the case because sharing a common interest helps establish a relationship. Do you know where else people are likely to share a common interest? Work. Usually, people have some interest in the field in which they are involved.

Astrid did execute her plan poorly, but searching for love doesn't necessarily and shouldn't involve just hitting on the very first person. Again, I don't think it was obvious from the voting portion her search would be so narrow, and we couldn't have really known she'd handle it so poorly from just the brief description in the voting portion of the event. After all she did say clients, as in more that one, as in not just the first person you are going to see that day.