Valentines day event fail

[MelodyCrystel]

Somebody from the English dub needs to explain for me, why exactly so many English-players hate Astrid's suggestion that much.
->As I play in my native language a ka German (and the game uses most of the time regular Hochdeutsch and no oldfashioned dialects), I don't see where all the fuzz is coming from.

To roughly translate for you what Astrid is saying in the German version:

"Ah, you're back! Are you curious, which advice I have to offer to our lonely soul? I like to tell you! Simply put he has to expand his horizon."

"Through the talk with him and his acquaintances' statements it became undoubtedly clear, that he has an untainted reputation as a leader and pillar of society."

"But because he got an important and influential position, it's probably not easy for him to find that, what he's searching for, at his workplace."

"And since he has no noteworthy interests apart from his duties, the options of our man are sadly very limited. That's why I suggest, that he should start the search for love at his customers - those, who know him good enough to appreciate his strong character, but aren't so close to him, that a relationship could become unpleasant."

I mean, I don't want to scare any ancient people here with my own opinion, but it's quite normal to find a partner at one's workplace.
->Also, the way it sounds in German, Astrid points out that he a ka the Lancer-tutor should get to know people who AREN'T that dependent on him / wouldn't stand all day under his feet, if you get what I mean.

[RicaRuin]

Even the german version states that Astrid not only wants him to look for romance at his workplace (which would be only okay-ish with maybe a coworker from a department you barely have any contact with), but especially romance in clients. Kunden.

I don't know about your workplace, but even in Germany that would be regarded unprofessional.

[Gula]

I mean, I don't want to scare any ancient people here with my own opinion, but it's quite normal to find a partner at one's workplace.

As Walt Disney said, "Don't dip your pen in the company ink." It's extremely ill advised for sexual harassment and allegations, discomfort among staff, and in many cases those in higher power abusing their position to take advantage, or those in a lower position trying to gain one.

When working for a boutique it was mandatory to sit through a video on workplace harassment and relationships.

Sounds extreme, but that's just how things are.

[Theodric]

Thinking on it more, I'd be less bothered by the way in which this played out if the blatant nepotism was called out. Yet much like with Lyse, it isn't - which is a real shame, since the protagonists spend a significant amount of time lecturing various characters on matters of 'fair' politics and morality. Something which, in turn, has turned out to be immensely hypocritical on more than one occasion.

[MelodyCrystel]

So you guys (RicaRuin and Gula) say that - for example - two teachers from the same school can't be a couple? Or, like in case of my adoptive-brother, two doctors from the same hospital aren't a thing?

Oi, I don't want to say old-fashioned to you two now, so I settle for: Well, apparently my family raised me to be very open-minded and more accepting of other lifestyles.

Also, if you tell me you have never shipped your adventurer(s) with one of the class- / job-tutors in your minds, then you either are lacking imagination or are lying to me. xp

[Lersayil]

Somebody from the English dub needs to explain for me, why exactly so many English-players hate Astrid's suggestion that much.
->As I play in my native language a ka German (and the game uses most of the time regular Hochdeutsch and no oldfashioned dialects), I don't see where all the fuzz is coming from.

To roughly translate for you what Astrid is saying in the German version:



I mean, I don't want to scare any ancient people here with my own opinion, but it's quite normal to find a partner at one's workplace.
->Also, the way it sounds in German, Astrid points out that he a ka the Lancer-tutor should get to know people who AREN'T that dependent on him / wouldn't stand all day under his feet, if you get what I mean.

Most people think of the worst case scenario of workplace harassment, failed romances and the fallout that follows. Successful office romance isn't that rare, you just don't hear about them as much, since the fallout scenario is much more noticable. Understandibly company management pushes heavily against them, since even one such event might be catastrophic (even if most of them just end without issue).

Depending on industry, hitting on clients is pretty unprofessional though, I agree. Might not be much of an issue, given how Eorzeas more guild and individual centric.

[RicaRuin]

So you guys (RicaRuin and Gula) say that - for example - two teachers from the same school can't be a couple? Or, like in case of my adoptive-brother, two doctors from the same hospital aren't a thing?

Oi, I don't want to say old-fashioned to you two now, so I settle for: Well, apparently my family raised me to be very open-minded and more accepting of other lifestyles.

Also, if you tell me you have never shipped your adventurer(s) with one of the class- / job-tutors in your minds, then you either are lacking imagination or are lying to me. xp

I'm not saying that, one would have to differ per situation. In a small company with maybe 20 employees, it would be eeeeh. In the case of doctors you mentioned - I don't see a problem as long as they are from different departments/stations. The idea behind this 'professionalism' is simply that eventual disputes or the likes won't interfere with your performance and ability to do the job right. Thus, you shouldn't have to interact with your partner during actual work.

[MelodyCrystel]

Brings me back to the German dub: Astrid talks about those who aren't too close to the tutor at work.
->I suppose she says something similar in the English version...?

[RicaRuin]

She is saying something along the lines of not those that are dependent of him / rely on him, like his subordinates. That is why she suggested clients instead.

[Vidu]

Somebody from the English dub needs to explain for me, why exactly so many English-players hate Astrid's suggestion that much.
->As I play in my native language a ka German (and the game uses most of the time regular Hochdeutsch and no oldfashioned dialects), I don't see where all the fuzz is coming from.

To roughly translate for you what Astrid is saying in the German version:



I mean, I don't want to scare any ancient people here with my own opinion, but it's quite normal to find a partner at one's workplace.
->Also, the way it sounds in German, Astrid points out that he a ka the Lancer-tutor should get to know people who AREN'T that dependent on him / wouldn't stand all day under his feet, if you get what I mean.

I play in german aswell (since its my native language too) and thought Astrids suggestion was a bad advice for the person in question - I dont generally think that its bad to find your partner through work (at least as long as there is enough work-distance between the two, so that you dont mix personal life and buisness to much and carry buisness problems into the relationship and vice versa), but to me it sounded a lot like our "client" had no idea what he was actually looking for. If two people just fall in love after meeting at their workplace: Thats great!
But starting to date around there, with no one in mind, just to see what sticks...? Thats what Astrid suggestion sounded like to me - she wasnt saying "Hey, maybe you can think of someone in your life you're already intrested in or of someone who has shown an intrest in you" - she basically said "yeah, go through everyone you meet at work based on the criteria that you're not to close to them that a relationship could cause trouble".

On top of that it doesnt solve his underlying problem of currently not being really "fit" for a relationship, with the only thing he cares about being his work - while the other two suggested something to "fix" that and make him a more intresting or... "social" person, all Astrid is suggesting that he just picks anyone. Shes treating a symptom, not the underlying cause - and I cant imagine that a relationship in which one of the partners is more intrested in their work than anything else works really well (unless maybe, the other partner is exactly the same and they treat their relationship like a buisness). You can ofc hope that he changes once he found the right partner, but I wouldnt take my chances with that.

To me Astrids suggestion is something he can do last - after he worked out, what he actually wants from life and a relationship, after he found some intrest outside work, that he can maybe share with their partner... and then, if he hasnt found anyone by chance, he can start to look around in his social enviroment, including his workplace (given he follows some ethical guidelines). But just "blindly" asking out people based on working with them but not to closely? Nope, not a good idea.