So...is the Ranged Role gone? Are we in a Reverse HW?

[ForteNightshade]

Machinist is easy to pick up but not as easy to fully optimize and keep that high apm without any drift, on top of being highly depending of raid buffs to do his damage, which BLM and SAM dont depend on as much. So mch should have less dps than a job having rezzes and raid buffs just because we can "move" ? I felt way more comfy playing SMN than I did playing playing MCH because of the mobility and the lack of intensity in its gameplay.

How does Machinist depend more on raid buffs than Black Mage and Samurai? All three are selfish jobs. If anything, the latter two benefit more because of their higher output.

Lots of other jobs could just do the ranged movement, even tho they'll lose 1 or 2 GCD and still outdps the ranged contribution in any content.

Alphascape and every single Ultimate fight would like a word with you about that. Go ask Paladin and Dark Knights how much they liked doing Panto2.

i'll even more double down on the fact MCH should be on a BLM or SAM lvl, if a team have all 3 roles already and they want a greedy job? why isnt mch a valid choice? just because they can move? As I said in multiple other threads, ranged, because of the mobility are doing -more- mechanics than others, to let them have more dps and we are punished for it?? In which world is that fair? Because we are doing well our job, we are getting punished? Imagine IRL you did more studies, leading to you doing more stuff than others but being paid less because you have an easier time doing it ?

Because in the fights mentioned above, melee will suffer far worse than the range do now. Non-uptime Hello, World is bad enough for melee you wouldn't bring any of them. The 1% simply wouldn't make up for the sheer loss they suffer having to disengage so much. This is also why your analogy doesn't work. There is nothing melee can do to compensate for fights that force them away from the boss except hope people are willing to accommodate them. Higher end statics will, but the average won't. This makes them increasingly less desired. In essence, they get put into the Range role now but with even worse utility.

That all said, I do believe the Range should be buffed so bringing two of them isn't such a massive loss. However, putting Machinist at Samurai levels makes it better than Samurai is every facet. It offers better utility, free mobility and now equal damage. Why would you ever consider Samurai? In fact, this pretty much makes Dragoon and Ninja the only melee groups would even look at because of their utility. Monk doesn't offer enough and Samurai is, as I said, a worse Machinist in this hypothetical.