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    Quote Originally Posted by SturmChurro View Post
    Every game has bugs, and my arguments might seem jumbled, because I am doing multiple things at once. In short Skyrim is objectively good despite the bad, mods that fix these bug just make that good experience better. They stand well enough on their own without mods, to continue to rerelease those "7" times.

    Sorry, I'd write a longer essay, but I am literally tabbing in and out of FFXIV, and going AFK. Doubt I will go back and solidify my argument.
    Every games has bugs, few AAA games however managed to rival Bethesda bugs. As for Skyrim, the story is really weak, the characters are really weak, the only thing that stood out to me was the gameplay. And it's with the gameplay that the glitches drag it down. Even the DLC was so buggy that I couldn't even finish a single one, apart from the one where I built a really glitchy house. Perhaps calling Skyrim "bad" is too far but the fact remains the game was buried in problems. I can't remember the story, I only remember characters by their appearance and I vaguely remember really bad voice acting, what I remember most about Skyrim was looting caves. For me, retrospectively, I didn't get a lot out of Skyrim even though I remember being amazed by it on release.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edax View Post
    Every games has bugs, few AAA games however managed to rival Bethesda bugs. As for Skyrim, the story is really weak, the characters are really weak, the only thing that stood out to me was the gameplay. And it's with the gameplay that the glitches drag it down. Even the DLC was so buggy that I couldn't even finish a single one, apart from the one where I built a really glitchy house. Perhaps calling Skyrim "bad" is too far but the fact remains the game was buried in problems. I can't remember the story, I only remember characters by their appearance and I vaguely remember really bad voice acting, what I remember most about Skyrim was looting caves. For me, retrospectively, I didn't get a lot out of Skyrim even though I remember being amazed by it on release.
    Is that really true though? Have you been keeping up with Triple A releases of the past decade? Warcraft 3: Reforged, Mass Effect: Andromeda, Anthem, The Division, Ghost Recon: Breakpoint, Battlefield V, WWE 2K20, and the list goes on and on and on and on. Can good gameplay, carry a game? The players of Fallout 4 seem to think so, since when that came out I remember in my YouTube feed, and what I saw regurgitated on various message boards, "good game, bad Fallout game". On the flipside, can a good story (good writing) carry bad gameplay? Again many players (and reviewers) of various games that suffer from this also seem to think so. I'd say hmm.. Planescape Torment could fall under this category, as an example.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SturmChurro View Post
    Is that really true though? Have you been keeping up with Triple A releases of the past decade? Warcraft 3: Reforged, Mass Effect: Andromeda, Anthem, The Division, Ghost Recon: Breakpoint, Battlefield V, WWE 2K20, and the list goes on and on and on and on. Can good gameplay, carry a game? The players of Fallout 4 seem to think so, since when that came out I remember in my YouTube feed, and what I saw regurgitated on various message boards, "good game, bad Fallout game". On the flipside, can a good story (good writing) carry bad gameplay? Again many players (and reviewers) of various games that suffer from this also seem to think so.
    The answer is no, I haven't played a single one. I was a former Mass Effect fan but from the reviews and gameplay footage of Mass Effect: Andromeda's tired faces and ripped off story, it just wasn't for me. It's subjective if one element can carry it for you personally, but it's objective that there are problems that affect the quality of the game. Bad writing (story or character) is bad, bad gameplay is bad. Ideally AAA games should avoid these to produce a better product.

    I enjoy salisbury steak served on a bed of mac and cheese and a pool of gravy, but I know this isn't a quality meal or fine dining.
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