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[Rjain]

Well then you're in the minority. Most gamers prefer to have basic information made readily available to them, especially in an MMO.

No, I'm not in the minority, as evident by this thread. Don't make an excuse that everyone in this thread is an XI veteran. I liked XI but I didn't even play it that long. In fact, I played WoW a lot longer.

I'm just not a casual gamer. I'm a gamer that likes to dive in and find things out. I like to know what I'm doing, I like to know how systems work, but I don't want to be told by the game "don't go here yet" or "don't fight this yet" or "watch out for this". That is ridiculous. At least for me.

[OJtheLIONKing]

No, I'm not in the minority, as evident by this thread. Don't make an excuse that everyone in this thread is an XI veteran. I liked XI but I didn't even play it that long. In fact, I played WoW a lot longer.

I'm just not a casual gamer. I'm a gamer that likes to dive in and find things out. I like to know what I'm doing, I like to know how systems work, but I don't want to be told by the game "don't go here yet" or "don't fight this yet" or "watch out for this". That is ridiculous. At least for me.

I hate to break it to you, but you are. Take WoW or City of Heroes, the people constantly demand more information. CoH used to hide everything from you like FFXI, but it was due to player demand that they gave exact numbers for damage output in the tooltips. Hell, WoW gives you DPS information and FFXI doesn't, so what did people do? Use third party parsers just to get that info. More information is better for most players. The fact that the vast majority of people play MMOs that give this information should be an indication for you.

[Rjain]

I hate to break it to you, but you are. Take WoW or City of Heroes, the people constantly demand more information. CoH used to hide everything from you like FFXI, but it was due to player demand that they gave exact numbers for damage output in the tooltips. Hell, WoW gives you DPS information and FFXI doesn't, so what did people do? Use third party parsers just to get that info. More information is better for most players. The fact that the vast majority of people play MMOs that give this information should be an indication for you.

What on earth does that have to do with enemy aggro and having the option to turn it off?

Is it that hard to make an OPTION to turn something OFF?

Keep the ugly icon for all I care so long as the damned thing can be eradicated from my screen.

Third party tools aren't allowed in 14. And in WoW, they're a complete option. You can get all the information you want, but half the time you have to track it down yourself. Third party tool talk just completely goes off-topic.

[OJtheLIONKing]

What on earth does that have to do with enemy aggro and having the option to turn it off?

Is it that hard to make an OPTION to turn something OFF?

Keep the ugly icon for all I care so long as the damned thing can be eradicated from my screen.

Third party tools aren't allowed in 14. And in WoW, they're a complete option. You can get all the information you want, but half the time you have to track it down yourself. Third party tool talk just completely goes off-topic.

Hey, I'm all for the option to turn it on and off, and I dont like the icon either, I'd prefer it be indicated by name color. My point was not "people will use third party tools" but "people prefer information to ignorance" as a counter to your opinion is that of the majority. I have no intention to use third party tools in ff14, and I didn't in FFXI, but notice I mentioned people used them in XI because they were not being given information they got standard in other MMOs.

[viion]

What on earth does that have to do with enemy aggro and having the option to turn it off?

Is it that hard to make an OPTION to turn something OFF?

Keep the ugly icon for all I care so long as the damned thing can be eradicated from my screen.

Third party tools aren't allowed in 14. And in WoW, they're a complete option. You can get all the information you want, but half the time you have to track it down yourself. Third party tool talk just completely goes off-topic.

Hey Rjain ^^

I hate this icon, I hate it so much I had to erase the thing from the files. But I hate it more for its purpose, it holds your hand and ruins a nice gameplay experience.

[Rhianu]

But I hate it more for its purpose, it holds your hand and ruins a nice gameplay experience.

Yes, because providing a user-friendly game environment for players totally ruins all the fun... -_-

[Chardrizard]

Yes, because providing a user-friendly game environment for players totally ruins all the fun... -_-

People are forgetting the fact that we are actually the minority, the one that they need to attract is the new players, if they flop on PS3, FFXIV is going down with all of us that complains about this silly icon.

[Rhianu]

No, I'm not in the minority, as evident by this thread.

Do you know what the term "anecdotal evidence" means?

This thread does not present an accurate picture of all gamers. In fact, this entire forum is heavily biased to favor SE and the outdated design philosophies that were present in FFXI. If you were to look at the general gaming community as a whole, I guarantee you would see a much different picture.

[OJtheLIONKing]

Do you know what the term "anecdotal evidence" means?

This thread does not present an accurate picture of all gamers. In fact, this entire forum is heavily biased to favor SE and the outdated design philosophies that were present in FFXI. If you were to look at the general gaming community as a whole, I guarantee you would see a much different picture.

I'm agreed with you here. I was excited about the new official forum, but by only allowing the people who were patient enough to put up with how FF14 has played for this long (which, according to unofficial measurements is only a fraction of those who were interested in how FF14 looked even in its worse days) they are going to get a bad idea of what they need to do to attract more players. Many of the people who are posting on here are extremely stubborn former FFXI players who are stuck in 2004, but this game needs to not only be up to industry standards but set new ones.