Thank you Yoshi for your stance on DPS meters

[Penthea]

That they did, and they are right, just like a hammer, a rifle is a tool, an inanimate object. It does not have a will of its own. It's not going suddenly spring to life and start firing. There needs to be a human holding it and using it. But this forum isn't the place to discuss gun rights and issues if thats where you were going with your comment.

Well the thing about tools is they all can be misused and all have different potential damage. In SE's eyes the parser tool has the potential to cause a lot of damage due to the community misusing it.

[SturmChurro]

And yet we keep getting WoW refugees who keep complimenting FF14 saying "Wow, I came over from WoW and people are so much nicer here!" Maybe you need to stop hanging out with the same few bad apples?

This community is probably the most toxic, report happy community I have ever been a part of. No, I don't hang out with anyone either, I literally play solo, and barely talk in-game (never had a single GM interaction). It's just a different kind of toxic. Don't worry though, this game's community also has the traditional toxicity evidenced by the discussion herein (Yoshida's statement).

[EaMett]

This community is probably the most toxic, report happy community I have ever been a part of. No, I don't hang out with anyone either, I literally play solo, and barely talk in-game (never had a single GM interaction). It's just a different kind of toxic. Don't worry though, this game's community also has the traditional toxicity evidenced by the discussion herein (Yoshida's statement).

Report happy and toxic are two very different things. Are you perhaps conflating both? Because in theory the toxic behavior would be reported by the report happy community.
I'm confused.

[Penthea]

This community is probably the most toxic, report happy community I have ever been a part of.

To me it looks like just any other mmorpg community I have been part of. They're all the same. They just don't all have the same tools to be toxic with. How FFXIV is now reminds me very much of how the WoW community was before parser use was commonplace.

[SturmChurro]

Report happy and toxic are two very different things. Are you perhaps conflating both? Because in theory the toxic behavior would be reported by the report happy community.
I'm confused.

You guys (who report) are doing God's work getting those dang toxic WoW refugees out of our game!

[Thamorian]

Well the thing about tools is they all can be misused and all have different potential damage. In SE's eyes the parser tool has the potential to cause a lot of damage due to the community misusing it.

Agreed, that is why SE's official stance is that parsers are not allowed, which also gives them easier justification to suspend or ban someone who is toxic while using one, someone who is harassing other people over their DPS numbers in a condescending way. But I do appreciate SE turns a blind eye to people who are not abusive with it. Some people could do with some constructive criticism and asking them if they would like some feedback on how to better improve their gameplay can be helpful. Whether they actually accept the help or not, sometimes we can see who is not playing their job that well regardless if a parser was used, because remember, if you know a job well enough, you don't need a parser to see who has a really messed up rotation or who has a 1 button rotation. Constructive criticism itself doesn't necessarily mean they we are being rude to the person we are offering it to.

[QT_Melon]

I would like to disagree since my time was usually spent helping other players become better, and often times they end up outshining me which I'm perfectly okay with (I never pretend to be the best anyways...I got bad eyesight and RSI) and my friend list tends to fill up rather quick.

Speaking of, DynnDiablos, I saw your tell last night and freed up a spot for you so if you have some time on the weekend let me know. I'll add you to my friend's list ASAP.

[Thamorian]

This community is probably the most toxic, report happy community I have ever been a part of. No, I don't hang out with anyone either, I literally play solo, and barely talk in-game (never had a single GM interaction). It's just a different kind of toxic. Don't worry though, this game's community also has the traditional toxicity evidenced by the discussion herein (Yoshida's statement).

Nah, *I think* it's only on these forums we talk about reporting so much, and I only say to report because this forum community demands SE take action against whatever. I rarely see talk about reporting people in game unless there is an actual issue. I do play on Gilgamesh though so maybe its's different on other servers. I personally rarely report, only doing so when I feel it's necessary like a RMT bot telling people to search for a youtube video for a gil giveaway with a link to a phishing site. If someone was being rude in a dungeon, I just finish my dungeon and move on with my day, and blacklist if I feel like it even though I know the odds of getting that same person in DF is practically zero.

This thread and the one about mentors are perfect examples. Forum members demand SE take action, to remove the mentor system and ban anyone even suggesting they are parsing. Instead, of destroying a system or punishing everyone using a parser even if all they ever did was show joy for getting a good personal parse, why not instead report the really nasty people? Then if your complaint is that reports do nothing, then why aren't you instead raising that issue? Letting SE know you aren't happy that toxic members of our community go unpunished? And at the same time, just because someone perceives something as toxic may not of actually been toxic and GMs decided the "toxic" person did nothing wrong. And I'm not talking about clear cut cases where the toxic person was swearing out of anger and threatening someone.

I strongly feel this forums attitude is not reflective of most players in game.

[Divinemights]

That they did, and they are right, just like a hammer, a rifle is a tool, an inanimate object. It does not have a will of its own. It's not going suddenly spring to life and start firing. There needs to be a human holding it and using it. But this forum isn't the place to discuss gun rights and issues if thats where you were going with your comment.

No intention to discuss about gun right.
I am saying that fundamentally it is the same thing.
It is a tool and it is all up to the user but I am certainly feels safer to walks on the street in the countries that forbidden firearms.
For the parser, there wont be grieving if it is forbidden officially and now it is.
They don't want to deal with player drama and intends to lower the harassment down to the minimum.

Fundamentally, it is the same. Firearm is forbidden (Parser). They will not actively to hunt you as long as you don't break the law (use fire arm/use parser to harass). As long as nothing happen, you are free to use parser for your self improvement. Nevertheless, it doesn't mean it is legal and you are subject to account penalty (arrest if caught carry a gun).

What are you trying to prove right now?
Please do not sugar-coating or get on high horse tho, humanity simply doesn't works that well at mass

[Divinemights]

But over all in WoW, espcially back then, there were a massive abundance of guilds willing to help and teach.

I am glad that you are; but unfortunately you are minority already
That may be true when 25 men raid is a thing, and me too, as a Paladin officer i will provided the assistance.
Game culture has changed
That is is simply not how humanity works at mass