Thank you Yoshi for your stance on DPS meters

[DynnDiablos]

I'm not being subtle about it. Players who cannot handle normal group situations should stay away from them. And given it's impossible to play this game alone, a person in this predicament either needs to change their attitude, somehow engineer a group situation that suits them, or stop playing.



Oh yes I'm sure that threatening to report anyone who comments on your dps is a very reasonable thing indeed.



That's fair. But this doesn't mean you're not being unreasonable when you preach in the forums about how we don't pay your sub so no one has a right to comment on your performance.



Please do not put words into my mouth. I never said you were a horrible person. I find your stance on commentary very silly. This does not mean I hate you. I blacklist people I hate. Clearly I haven't blacklisted you.

And I doubt you wish me a wonderful day if you have somehow convinced yourself that I have a very strong distaste towards you.

I have already commented on my initial statement coming off as harsher than I intended, but the truth remains the same. No one should be utilizing outside sources to comment on another person's performance. If these tools were integrated into the game. Have at it. Also, my most recent posts have elaborated on my stance and in my opinion have been reasonable discussing how this game presents content to the player and what they are expected.

At the end of the day, be clear about what you want. Be upfront in your parties and let people be. And actually, I DO play this game alone 90 percent of the time except for roulettes and clearing a normal raid or dungeon for the first time. And in that content, unless you are wiping consistently, NO ONE should be commenting on someone's DPS performance. Save it for your Savage and Ultimate parties YOU created, with CLEAR RULES and UPFRONT PERIMETERS.

[Senn]

That's basically what I find so unfair in this game. Players that don't care get coddled and they have all means ingame to play the way they want, which, again, is great and I like it. But those of use who strife for improvement are left alone and have no chances to play the game the way we want to.
At least not in an official way, which is really sad tbh.

Yeah, that's why I do want a private/personal DPS meter. I really want to improve, and SSS just doesn't cut it because all you're doing is hitting a dummy, not doing any mechanics. I do SSS to practice my rotation, but it's not enough. A DPS meter would help me greatly.

However, I don't really support having a public/party DPS meter. Some people don't like that level of scrutiny and I think having a feature like that in game being public would most likely create an unpleasant atmosphere. We all know what people can be like online.

So yes to a private/personal DPS meter that only shows your DPS. I'm all about self improvement.
No to public/party DPS meters.

[Penthea]

I have already commented on my initial statement coming off as harsher than I intended, but the truth remains the same. No one should be utilizing outside sources to comment on another person's performance.

I already explained to you in this post that you do not need a parser to see if someone is playing well or badly.

You cannot assume: says something about dps = uses a parser.

I don't need a parser to look at the party ui to see your buffs, your casts if you're a caster, your vuln stacks, your damage down stacks, your health, if you're dead.

I don't need a parser to recognise ability animations to see if you're using aoe when it is appropriate to.

I don't need a parser to see if you're doing positionals in melee or not.

I don't need a parser to see that you're standing around doing nothing instead of doing something.

I don't need a parser to be able to recognise all the very obvious signs that someone is a good player or not.

At the end of the day, be clear about what you want. Be upfront in your parties and let people be. And actually, I DO play this game alone 90 percent of the time except for roulettes and clearing a normal raid or dungeon for the first time. And in that content, unless you are wiping consistently, NO ONE should be commenting on someone's DPS performance. Save it for your Savage and Ultimate parties YOU created, with CLEAR RULES and UPFRONT PERIMETERS.

Sorry no, if I see a player doing something like using aoe on a single target boss or pulling huge groups without using defensive cds then I'm going to say something, even if we're not wiping. I'm a pretty easy going person but if a player is definitely doing something very very wrong I don't stay quiet.

EDIT: No I am not saying I watch out for everything at the same time, all I did was list examples of things that can be spotted without a parser.

[QT_Melon]

You seem to keep urging ever-so-subtly that I shouldn't be playing this game at all when everyone approaches this content differently. I actually am being very reasonable and I have posted several comments on my reasoning in a very calm and thought out manner.

Well let's be more reasonable. Instead of going into the attacks of why they think your mindset is bad. Would you like a general idea at least what you could be doing ie constructive criticism in how to perform better? I'm not asking you to be the top dps but if someone told you what you're doing good and wrong, but ideas on how to fix it would you be receptive to that?

Just genuinely curious.

Like basically if I told you or gave you tips on how to bake a better cake, not that your cake is terrible would you be open to it?

[Liam_Harper]

I already explained to you in this post that you do not need a parser to see if someone is playing well or badly.

You cannot assume: says something about dps = uses a parser.

I don't need a parser to look at the party ui to see your buffs, your casts if you're a caster, your vuln stacks, your damage down stacks, your health, if you're dead.

I don't need a parser to recognise ability animations to see if you're using aoe when it is appropriate to.

I don't need a parser to see if you're doing positionals in melee or not.

I don't know if it's just me, but in difficult content (EX and above, who cares about dps in Normal) I wouldn't be able to perform my role/class to a high standard, focus on and avoid all mechanics and simultaneously monitor the buffs, debuffs of all 7 party members, observe every spell animation and cast bar and recognize flaws even if I've never played that class and keep watch on their position in relation to the boss and which positionals their rotation requires. I'd see bits here and there but I'd miss the bulk of it. I'm impressed you can effortlessly do that.

Now reading logs afterwards I could do, picking up literally everything from APM, to damage taken, to every action and ability used and not used, how often and exact timing when, with zero error and nothing missed.

Sure you can see if someone's an Ice Mage or afk, but to see why someone doing mechanics and pressing most of the right buttons is still grey you need solid stats and information.

[Canada_bangs]

It's a shame we won't even be getting just a personal one. I always worry if I'm bad or good enough and sadly the game won't tell me. Just clearing stuff doesn't mean I'm a good player. We don't need a meter to tell us everyone's stuff.. just our own. I would love one that told me what numbers I'm doing so I'll know if I'm under performing. So far people have been really nice to me but now I'm wondering if it's cause they think i'll report them if they told me if I sucked. Now I feel horrible :c

[SieyaM]

I don't know if it's just me, but in difficult content (EX and above, who cares about dps in Normal) I wouldn't be able to perform my role/class to a high standard, focus on and avoid all mechanics and simultaneously monitor the buffs, debuffs of all 7 party members, observe every spell animation and cast bar and recognize flaws even if I've never played that class and keep watch on their position in relation to the boss and which positionals their rotation requires. I'd see bits here and there but I'd miss the bulk of it. I'm impressed you can effortlessly do that.

Now reading logs afterwards I could do, picking up literally everything from APM, to damage taken, to every action and ability used and not used, how often and exact timing when, with zero error and nothing missed.

Sure you can see if someone's an Ice Mage or afk, but to see why someone doing mechanics and pressing most of the right buttons is still grey you need solid stats and information.

That is the problem I have with adding them in game, people will use them in normal content to berate and harass other players. Making them readily available gives people the means to harass anyone at anytime. With the way it is now people have to care enough to install a third party tool, and they are not usually going to go through that much trouble to run it in DF content where hitting those numbers is really inconsequential. Some runs may take longer than others but my suggestion would be to not queue for roulettes if you are not prepared to spend more than the fastest run time on something.

[MomomiMomi]

That is the problem I have with adding them in game, people will use them in normal content to berate and harass other players. Making them readily available gives people the means to harass anyone at anytime. With the way it is now people have to care enough to install a third party tool, and they are not usually going to go through that much trouble to run it in DF content where hitting those numbers is really inconsequential. Some runs may take longer than others but my suggestion would be to not queue for roulettes if you are not prepared to spend more than the fastest run time on something.

Which is why we want a compromise of a personal parser only. They can't use that to harass others. It would be only for self-improvement.

[Penthea]

I don't know if it's just me, but in difficult content (EX and above, who cares about dps in Normal) I wouldn't be able to perform my role/class to a high standard, focus on and avoid all mechanics and simultaneously monitor the buffs, debuffs of all 7 party members, observe every spell animation and cast bar and recognize flaws even if I've never played that class and keep watch on their position in relation to the boss and which positionals their rotation requires. I'd see bits here and there but I'd miss the bulk of it. I'm impressed you can effortlessly do that.

I didn't say I can effortlessly do that. I would say few players can. I merely wanted to point out that if a person comments on a person's performance it doesn't mean they're using a parser, because there are signs you can spot just from what the game displays. If the content isn't challenging of course you tend to get more opportunities to spot things.

That being said if you're a healer you're in a position to spot more often than others because it's part of your job to always keep an eye on the party ui. A really good ast would definitely be keeping an eye on dps personal buffs to make the best use of their cards.

[Mahoukenshi]

That is the problem I have with adding them in game, people will use them in normal content to berate and harass other players. Making them readily available gives people the means to harass anyone at anytime. With the way it is now people have to care enough to install a third party tool, and they are not usually going to go through that much trouble to run it in DF content where hitting those numbers is really inconsequential. Some runs may take longer than others but my suggestion would be to not queue for roulettes if you are not prepared to spend more than the fastest run time on something.

The easiest but maybe not most realistic "official" solution would be to enable the parsers only in extreme and higher content (dunno if that would work with mentor roulettes where everything can happen) and the dummy thingies. If people want to improve by using personal parsers, by all means, let them.