In opposition of the inability to move waymarks in combat.

[Kuroka]

And i gotta say, yes ill never manage any ultimate, but still, walking past perfect legends with their weps makes we wonder if they are legit... ppl are trash, im sry, i cant trust "you" would never cheat. Just look at... tentem or how that pokemon copy is called, they banned hundrets of cheater that most likely wanted to continue hacking just as they did on the original games. Its the same with pppl buying rmt stuff...


And using these addons on live cams during streams is kinda... just no, they corssed a line. I already wonder why the one streaming gotta show a parser...

[Darkpaw]

I mean you are not wrong. In any sense of your post. I’ve felt the same as I am sure many others have as well.

This step was inevitable. We are lucky just this system got changed, this change is a inconvenience for sure but ultimately it’s necessary to draw a line in the sand and say no more. And that is what they did. No lewd mods, no add ons that inject data into the game and add server load. Play by the rules or get called out and punished.

We have all dealt with this idea of a few bad apples cost everyone everything. It’s not a new or controversial thing. Happens all the time.

[Mikana]

I understand square's position on this, it is after all a fix to people exploiting a tool that gives an unfair advantage, still doesn't change the fact that it is also an inconveniance to people that makes strat relying on the ability to move waymarks.

If it comes to pass and they don't ever change, then so be it, we'll learn to adapt, but it is still a worst system than before for the user.

And to those saying it's not fair but you have to accept it. Doesn't mean I don't have the right to make my point of view clear for square, if they decide to ignore, so be it, it is a good thing for them after all.

But at this point, with the fact that they've shown that you could have multiple presets for each fights (edit : might only be 5 presets TOTAL, but unsure with it being japanese and all), i would be okay with the posibility of switching each presets within the combat (which is kinda what the tool that started this drama is doing).

So they've got 3 possibilites :
- Remove the function to move waymarks in combat (me, as a user doesn't like it)
- Let it be as it was before (which would be bad for Square as it leads to people exploiting the game with tools)
- Compromise and give the ability to switch presets in combat (as a user, i'd be fine with that, but that means implementing a tool that cheaters already had before to everyone, so i do not know if square would really accept it)

In the end, it is all going to depend on square's decision, what is good to me isn't what is neccessarily good to square, and as such i understand their point of view on the matter.

Why people tolerated those, was that it never affected other people (i don't care if other cheats outside of my static, i do the content for myself not for the others)
But this is a change affecting me, so now i care and if square can at least aknowledge my point of view as a user, then this is good enough for me

[ForteNightshade]

I mean you are not wrong. In any sense of your post. I’ve felt the same as I am sure many others have as well.

This step was inevitable. We are lucky just this system got changed, this change is a inconvenience for sure but ultimately it’s necessary to draw a line in the sand and say no more. And that is what they did. No lewd mods, no add ons that inject data into the game and add server load. Play by the rules or get called out and punished.

We have all dealt with this idea of a few bad apples cost everyone everything. It’s not a new or controversial thing. Happens all the time.

Except none of that is going anywhere. Do you think people using mods weren't aware they were against the ToS? People did it anyway just like with parsers. And given mods are client side, literally nothing has changed as SE has no way to detect whether you have lewd mods installed. The creator of the marker tool has already said they'll make it client side.

This is a losing battle because they aren't going to do anything to disrupt client side programs and risk the backlash banning parsers would cause.

[WasephVoxx]

I can't believe what is happening in this thread. You guys rather advocate for 100% of the playerbase to be punished for the actions of 0.01%. You can blame the community all you want for "bringing this upon themselves" but let's call this what it is: The devs are taking the easy path of restricting a feature that has been there since the beginning because they are too lazy to actually figure out a way to punish people for literally cheating.

Yes, this is, in essence, the fault of the players that abuse the system but you don't have to lie there and take such a ridiculous solution when the real answer should be in making sure people risk their accounts when they commit so heavily to 3rd party tools.

Where does this end? People will find other loopholes and do it again and we'll just end up with less and less features? No, just hit the desk for once and punish obvious, gross disregard for the ToS PLEASE. This shouldn't even be up for debate.

[Llyud1996]

I think it's good that the Dev Team and Yoshida himself have a stance regarding 3rd Party Tools. It's totally fine and I can align to that their stance. I don´t support the use of 3rd Party Tools, and expecially not the ones that affect the client and modify data, like the thing with the waymarks or cosmetic mods.


At first I want to tell you guys why I think positioning waymarks during a fight is necassarry during progression for (savage) ultimate content:

My Party just cleared TEA three weeks ago, and the ability to move single waymarks during the combat was mandatory for our progression speed. We had a lot of schedule issues, which alread delayed our progress heavily. If we wouldn't have had the ability to move waymarks, it would have taken even longer. In every phase we moved at least 3 waymarks to a different point, because it made learning so much easier if a player has a point to orient himself to.
We want to clear UCoB and UWU too, I already know about most mechanics, and when I think about not having the possibility to move waymarks for Grand Octect for example, it just feels horrible, because we will probably be stuck on that mechanic for few days at least.


They could have went a different way, regarding this 3rd Party Tool that places waymarks instantly and waymarks in general.
1) They punish the people from which they know that they have used it, just like with the dataming thing a few months ago.
2) They implement the ability to position presets during a fight ingame. It's kind of innovation for the game done by players, isn't it?
3) They remove the ability to position waymarks during a fight.
4) They let it be like it is and people can abuse it.


Please don't punish the whole playerbase for something that only a small percentage is using or doing. It will probably be limiting out gaming and raiding experience, also because we have some PS4 Players in our Static and those are completly lost regarding this issue.

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