Thread: The Patch 5.2 Discussion Thread! (Spoilers)

If the echo is just a fraction of the hidden power awakened in everyone from the presundered era by viewing the vision of the final day, how is it that the ancient ascians were tempered by zodiark? I thought echo by it's nature makes you immune to tempering.

Originally Posted by Snugglez

If the echo is just a fraction of the hidden power awakened in everyone from the presundered era by viewing the vision of the final day, how is it that the ancient ascians were tempered by zodiark? I thought echo by it's nature makes you immune to tempering.

Well, I could be wrong, but it's not that those who possess the Echo are immune to tempering as it was once believed. But that the Echo means you are tempered by Hydaelyn. That's the new theory anyway, based on what Emet-Selch told us and other clues we've gleaned from the game over the years.

Originally Posted by Lium

Well, I could be wrong, but it's not that those who possess the Echo are immune to tempering as it was once believed. But that the Echo means you are tempered by Hydaelyn. That's the new theory anyway, based on what Emet-Selch told us and other clues we've gleaned from the game over the years.

That's what I thought originally, but Elidibus makes it sound like the Echo was something a "whole" person always had, way before Hydaelyn and Zodiark were ever around, and we unlock but a fraction of it with what we call the echo sort of like a DNA memory. Is it just now that you can't reawaken this ancient power WITHOUT also hearing Hydaelyn, automatically tempering you? I wonder why this is.

Originally Posted by Snugglez

If the echo is just a fraction of the hidden power awakened in everyone from the presundered era by viewing the vision of the final day, how is it that the ancient ascians were tempered by zodiark? I thought echo by it's nature makes you immune to tempering.

Zenos theorized it is not that the Echo makes you "immune", but rather augments the will enough to overcome the primal's will. Zodiark is the will of the star made manifest, so "there was no resisting that kind of power".