Thread: The Patch 5.2 Discussion Thread! (Spoilers)

Originally Posted by Lium

I don't understand the Echo now. I need to go back and re-watch the cutscene of Elidibus explaining it. But it seems, just based on what I heard, that we aren't all that important after all. That anyone can be the WoL if they hear Hydaelyn's voice during a starshower. And that the Echo itself is a memory of the Final Days etched onto the souls of all the mortal races. So, from what I understand, Hydaelyn's message, "Hear...Feel...Think" is playing in a loop constantly and that anyone who hears it is taken by Hydaelyn to be her champion and receive her blessing. In this regard, there is absolutely NOTHING special about the WoL. We are, for all intents and purposes, glamorized (no pun intended) grunts. Made to feel special. When in fact, we are not.

Well, something to consider:

The Echo isn't what makes the WoL special. Even before this, there are many people with the Echo, and the WoL is just one of them. Far less people have the Blessing of Light - but even that isn't what makes the WoL special. The WoL makes the WoL special. That was hammered into us by the storyline where Midgardsormr took away our Blessing. The story wanted to make it clear that we are our own person. Our triumphs are our own. The Blessing is a shield that defends us at times, and the Echo can be a useful information-gathering tool - but that's all it and the Blessing are. Tools. Hydaelyn happens to be fond of us, and we're likely the greatest ally she has, but we're special because we're a phenomenally powerful and talented individual, with a penchant for doing great deeds.

I do wonder, though:

Did EVERYONE in the crowd who saw the starshower gain the Echo? Did everyone even see it? I got the feeling that while many have the potential for the Echo, not everyone has that potential. If Elidibert's words are true, Hydaelyn occasionally shows the starshower to select individuals to awaken the Echo within them. Elidibert, on the other hand, awakened the Echo in a lot of people indiscriminately...

Agreed, there are differences in its intensity...

... presumably based on how complete the soul is. I'm also keen to find out if it was everyone who received this newly awakened "gift", as it has implications as to whether everyone could potentially have it awakened. The wording Urianger used, "full many in the crowd", would suggest it's not all, but leaves none the wiser as to the why. Could have something to do with how weakened the cycle of rebirth has left some souls.

*cough*

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Tho that does solve the mystery that was always nagging at me when I went back and forth on the matter before. If the WoL was the sacrifice it would mean it's BEFORE a state of sundering and WoL wouldn't exactly exist. At least that's how it kinda stood to me. It...didn't mesh right.

There are still a few pieces to fit in of course one of which was Hydaelyn's call and saying Zodiark coveted more power.

This actually seems to maybe support the idea that while Hydaelyn's original intent is to be the failsafe. I feel like the primals are a form of "wish corruption". You kinda get what you think you want but I don't think the Ancients were above creating faulty "Gods" even their magic is faulty. So I always personally believed Hydaelyn wasn't above it - I think she was a well intended solution but the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

By that I mean Venat's dialog about Elidibus. These two don't really seem to have animosity towards each other, but different philosophy. So when you hear Hydaelyn talk about Zodiark coveting power. The bias is in there, though she avoids talking in a negative manner just like Venat.

The identity of the other White robed figure. I think okay, from the VA and figure it's "Asahi" but at the same time it's kinda like WHY. It's either another "Body snatch" or "another back from the dead" Hell maybe they're looking to explain why our WoL just kinda sat there while he shot away at Yotsuyu

There's still of course many more mysteries from the trailer and - one rather big unanswered question of *how* those "3" escaped sundering.

Anyone else notice how the pilot for the Ruby Weapon was female and the "battle data" was from "Nael", so that when the over soul emerged it looked female. It's just another subtle reference to the Nael we know being Eula. But I wonder who the other Oversoul Legatus battle data could be. I can see/picture Regula for one, possibly Sapphire since it was mentioned, but I think we need another dead guy to round out the trio.