Thread: The Patch 5.2 Discussion Thread! (Spoilers)

Originally Posted by ObsidianFire

The "starshower" in 1.0 is canonically debris from Dalamud falling. Just about everyone in Eorzea saw it and the vast majority of them did not end up with the Echo afterwards. It should be noted that everyone that did have an awakened Echo did see the Starshower.

In 2.0, it's very odd. In the opening scene of 2.0, we hear Hydaelyn and swipe at Lahabrea in the Aetherial Sea. Which is long before we even see a starshower. The starshower we do see isn't even real. It happens after we pick up our first crystal of light and happens in the Aetherial Sea where our Crystals of Light are. Which happens after we hear Hydaelyn for the first time.

This is less of a problem for 1.0 legacy characters, who would have already had the Echo at this point anyway. It's a bigger issue for everyone else since the start of 2.0 is when they would have gotten the Echo most likely.

When is it said the starshower in 1.0 is Dalamud? I played 1.0 from the very beginning. You see the starshower in the first 10 seconds of the game and then you’re immediately echo’d back 10 years into the past.

If the echo is just a fraction of the hidden power awakened in everyone from the presundered era by viewing the vision of the final day, how is it that the ancient ascians were tempered by zodiark? I thought echo by it's nature makes you immune to tempering.

Originally Posted by Snugglez

If the echo is just a fraction of the hidden power awakened in everyone from the presundered era by viewing the vision of the final day, how is it that the ancient ascians were tempered by zodiark? I thought echo by it's nature makes you immune to tempering.

Well, I could be wrong, but it's not that those who possess the Echo are immune to tempering as it was once believed. But that the Echo means you are tempered by Hydaelyn. That's the new theory anyway, based on what Emet-Selch told us and other clues we've gleaned from the game over the years.

Originally Posted by Lium

Well, I could be wrong, but it's not that those who possess the Echo are immune to tempering as it was once believed. But that the Echo means you are tempered by Hydaelyn. That's the new theory anyway, based on what Emet-Selch told us and other clues we've gleaned from the game over the years.

That's what I thought originally, but Elidibus makes it sound like the Echo was something a "whole" person always had, way before Hydaelyn and Zodiark were ever around, and we unlock but a fraction of it with what we call the echo sort of like a DNA memory. Is it just now that you can't reawaken this ancient power WITHOUT also hearing Hydaelyn, automatically tempering you? I wonder why this is.

Originally Posted by Snugglez

If the echo is just a fraction of the hidden power awakened in everyone from the presundered era by viewing the vision of the final day, how is it that the ancient ascians were tempered by zodiark? I thought echo by it's nature makes you immune to tempering.

Zenos theorized it is not that the Echo makes you "immune", but rather augments the will enough to overcome the primal's will. Zodiark is the will of the star made manifest, so "there was no resisting that kind of power".

The strength of the Echo:

As Elidibus stated the strength of the Echo varies based on any given individual's sundered state. Even then, they boast but a fraction of the power that the Ancients once had at their disposal. So anybody on the First who happens to be granted the Echo is still going to be much weaker than someone on the Source who also has the Echo. With the Warrior of Light/Darkness now standing above even that due to being just a bit more rejoined than everybody else on the Source. It also explains why Lahabrea and Emet-Selch could not be defeated through conventional means.

Originally Posted by Snugglez

If the echo is just a fraction of the hidden power awakened in everyone from the presundered era by viewing the vision of the final day, how is it that the ancient ascians were tempered by zodiark? I thought echo by it\\'s nature makes you immune to tempering.

/10 char. . .

The starshower awakening is only part of it. Hearing Hydaelyn is the part that protects you from tempering. Hydaelyn didn’t exist yet so they had nothing to protect them from Zodiark.

Originally Posted by MikkoAkure

/10 char. . .

The starshower awakening is only part of it. Hearing Hydaelyn is the part that protects you from tempering. Hydaelyn didn’t exist yet so they had nothing to protect them from Zodiark.

HUH? *headscratch*

We don't know that, as Zodiark may have given it after the fact. We don't know if it was Hydaelyn or Zodiark's involvement - it could have been the WoL for all we know