Thread: 5.2 Info thread

Originally Posted by Vahlnir

"If you call out someone for low DPS, the problem isn't even just using a 3rd party tool, its harassment"

Personally I never thought of parsers I used in other games I played as an harrassment tool, but rather a means by which to assist our guild/FC to improve. I also don't understand how it is seen as providing an unfair advantage rather it helps the individual improve their effectiveness. We live in strange times when self improvement is seen as "cheating".

Originally Posted by Holymoly

Any news on when/how they are going to implement the streamlined MSQ?

They've previously stated the streamlined ARR MSQ (and thus New Game Plus access to ARR) will be in patch 5.3.

Originally Posted by Vahlnir

"If you call out someone for low DPS, the problem isn't even just using a 3rd party tool, its harassment"

I'm not entirely sure what he means by that, especially since he mentioned parsers right before this, but I know how it sounds to me. Does that mean that we can't call anyone out ever, even constructively?

I'm pretty sure this is directly addressing the fuss over that livestreamer harassing someone over their poor DPS. At the time people were saying the streamer had been punished for using a parser despite this being unofficially okay in the past, so (they said) it was unfair and inconsistent to target him - when actually the harassment would have been the issue.

So they're pointing that out (without actually mentioning the event, perhaps) and emphasising that it's a harassment issue and not that parsers themselves are punishable.

Originally Posted by Holymoly

I also don't understand how it is seen as providing an unfair advantage rather it helps the individual improve their effectiveness. We live in strange times when self improvement is seen as "cheating".

From what I understand, the unfair advantage has more to do with the PC and console stratification. Are these add-ons also available for the PS4? If add-ons are allowed, that effectively relegates console players to a lower tier, so to speak. PC gamers would be the only ones allowed to raid (in an FC or static) because certain add-ons would be required. And those add-ons would not be available on console. This provides a gameplay benefit that not everyone has access to.

Now, I have no idea if any of that is true. I read that on MassivelyOP. But at face value that sounds like a fair point.

Originally Posted by Vahlnir

At the end of the day though I am glad that they have finally drawn their line in the sand on the matter of mods and 3rd party tools like parsers.

Regarding parsers, have they?

It's still a grey area, so basically they'll turn away and ignore it as long as you don't harass anyone for dps. We all know a lot of PC players use and will continue to use them, which means newer and console players are at a disadvantage. The "toxicity" will exist in that players are silently kicked for low dps and won't know why, instead of called out.

If they really firmly believe parsers are toxic and will never add them, why haven't they taken the firm stance and blocked all third party programs communicating with the client?

Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

Because they know their raid scene dies the moment they block ACT. Without it, no one has any reason to even look at Savage beyond getting a couple kills just to say you did it unless you're doing Ultimate. It'd also make Ultimate itself extremely difficult not because of the mechanics but you'd have no way to determine why you aren't meeting DPS checks in a fight—at least when it's relevant—where you absolutely need that information.

Exactly.

They know it, we know it, yet they continue to pretend it's evil and no one parses and the game is all rainbows and sunshine. Meanwhile low dps players are kicked with zero input, the raiders have to work with clunky third party tools that the devs have little input on, ps4 players are excluded entirely and you have to sneak around like a naughty child pretending you don't use it just to maintain this illusion. If abuse over dps is harassment, you can enforce that rule even with parsers. They're in denial and have their fingers in their ears. It's frustrating. They won't even consider a parser strictly limited to EX content upwards or adding one to SSS.

It'd be interesting to see what would happen if thousands of raiders came together at once and openly posted to Enix "I parse in savage, ban me, I dare you".