hidden gorge has become a joke since moggle event started.

[KoroushSensei]

people are purposely losing and throwing matches. some of us want to win

[NessaWyvern]

That hasn't been my experience. Sure there's been a few newbies (which is good! We need more PvPers), but I've still been winning most of my matches, and recently got the 100 rival wings and Hidden Gorge mount. Are you doing callouts? Simple stuff like calling out the train and any enemy oppressors that spawn

[Missbone]

On our server no one cares about hidden george even with the moggle event. Waiting times of an half hour or more are normal. Everyone who wants moggle stones just does pve stuff and our pvp players are doing frontlines.

[Duskane]

tbh i think some people are just that bad it seems like it

[Hasrat]

Honestly, this. You'd be surprised at how many people don't try to research how PvP works and just don't put in effort or ignore those who do know whats up and try to tell them.

There are remarkably few in-game tools for players to really learn about PvP modes beyond simply jumping in, trial by fire. And not everybody learns very well just by reading up on it. There's little real opportunity to simply take everything in and assess to really learn what's going on. You just get dumped into the deep end.

[SturmChurro]

There are remarkably few in-game tools for players to really learn about PvP modes beyond simply jumping in, trial by fire. And not everybody learns very well just by reading up on it. There's little real opportunity to simply take everything in and assess to really learn what's going on. You just get dumped into the deep end.

There is also the fact that PvP in this game sucks. Like really sucks. SE has no idea what they are doing with it, so it is understandable that people don't care to learn it, or really try.

[Gula]

There is also the fact that PvP in this game sucks. Like really sucks. SE has no idea what they are doing with it, so it is understandable that people don't care to learn it, or really try.

I dont think it sucks, and I quite like it.

[Nayout]

There is also the fact that PvP in this game sucks. Like really sucks. SE has no idea what they are doing with it, so it is understandable that people don't care to learn it, or really try.

Looking at the situation of the PVP in other MMORPG I can assure you that the PVP of the FFXIV is quite good.
The Wow PVP has been dead from BFA
BDO PVP requires an insane amount of time just to compete
And I can continue to give examples, the only PVP that has been good is that of GW2 or TESO.

[Canadane]

There are remarkably few in-game tools for players to really learn about PvP modes beyond simply jumping in, trial by fire. And not everybody learns very well just by reading up on it. There's little real opportunity to simply take everything in and assess to really learn what's going on. You just get dumped into the deep end.

There is a goblin in the Wolves Den Pier that explains everything, with included visuals.
Very handy, I try to suggest talking to him to any new player to Rival Wings.