A mentor kicked my dog!

[Veis_Alveare]

I mean basically... title?

Honestly though I can't parse so I acknowledge that I can only tell so much about competence when I'm not playing with a friend who can but even as a healer I've not noticed mentors being specifically worse than other players.

I just read through another thread about how awful people think mentors are, multiple people claiming they'd never met a competent mentor and like.... bull. I call bull on that. It's just a bold faced lie unless your threshold for competence is sky high.

Let's look at the requirements to be a mentor; you don't need to be level capped in anything, you don't need to have completed any content that is remotely challenging and there is no "competence test" before joining. You need to have played the game for a little while... that's basically it.

If SE made being a mentor harder (say... cleared the prior tier's final Savage fight as a new one comes out?) they would not only be invalidating the main purpose of the mentor role (filling queues) but also would invariably receive large scale backlash from the hypercasuals.

So what is it, community? What do you want from mentors? What makes you happy? Because it seems to me mentors need to be

• Always able to offer instruction
• Never give unsolicited instruction
• Good at all the content (yes, even if they're new to it)
• Good at whatever job they're playing (even though they might be leveling it still)
• Patient and willing (and able!) to carry everyone through everything

When they fall outside of this it's immediately chocked up to this ridiculous standard that maybe .01% of players can actually reach somehow being the baseline for a status that you can get by crafting a couple hundred collectables.

Chill. The. Fluff. Out. Just because someone has a little crown icon by their name doesn't mean squat in this game and if you're willing to stereotype people for it you're likely no prize yourself.

GCBTW.

[MorbolvampireQueen6]

ppl proplem aren't the mentors lol its themself.

ur expecting them 2 be an angel and perfect social ppl. you realize how thats impossible.

I'm not a mentor but i have explained fights only 2 be ignored. ive only vked afkers or a few jerks or ppl who go say watch YouTube.

[TalosEscher]

ppl proplem aren't the mentors lol its themself.

ur expecting them 2 be an angel and perfect social ppl. you realize how thats impossible.

I'm not a mentor but i have explained fights only 2 be ignored. ive only vked afkers or a few jerks or ppl who go say watch YouTube.

my time is worth more than people being lazy, if they are gonna come into a dungeon for old content and expect that no matter who they are paired up with they have to nicely tell them what they are suppose to do when its a roulette duty that i do everyday, i will tell them to watch youtube, its fast, it has visual guide, it doesnt consume other peoples time, and it wont kill you or destroy your pride. yes, it is easier to have someone explain to you what to do on the spot, but it doesnt go through everything because people forget something or another and they will have to end up playing to understand the mechanics fully, so whats the point dude? i did that throughout all ARR and HW, why cant others do it too?
respect other people time, they are not there to baby sit you unless they put themselfs in that spot, supposedly by turning into a mentor

[Callinon]

my time is worth more than people being lazy, if they are gonna come into a dungeon for old content and expect that no matter who they are paired up with they have to nicely tell them what they are suppose to do when its a roulette duty that i do everyday, i will tell them to watch youtube, its fast, it has visual guide, it doesnt consume other peoples time, and it wont kill you or destroy your pride. yes, it is easier to have someone explain to you what to do on the spot, but it doesnt go through everything because people forget something or another and they will have to end up playing to understand the mechanics fully, so whats the point dude? i did that throughout all ARR and HW, why cant others do it too?
respect other people time, they are not there to baby sit you unless they put themselfs in that spot, supposedly by turning into a mentor

I only expect people to watch guides for extreme primals or savage raids. Everything else, eh.. wing it. Most dungeon mechanics are straightforward enough and can be learned by a decent player pretty quickly.

That being said, if someone ASKS straight out for a mechanic to be explained, telling them to go to Youtube is just rude as hell and, in fact, takes longer than just belting out a one sentence explanation of what they need to do.

Decent example of this: the other day I got Ghymlit Dark (no, I can't spell that, no one can) on expert and got a new healer. No problem, we go through the dungeon he figures things out quickly enough. Get to the last boss, blue guy does the bomb drops and well... everyone falls the first time.

While I was running back after the wipe I just quickly typed out "look at the pattern of bombs, stand where there are not bombs, then you just dance a little to avoid explosions"

Simple as that, we crushed the fight. One sentence, it didn't even consume any of the dungeon time since we were running back anyway.

[Penthea]

my time is worth more than people being lazy, if they are gonna come into a dungeon for old content and expect that no matter who they are paired up with they have to nicely tell them what they are suppose to do when its a roulette duty that i do everyday, i will tell them to watch youtube, its fast, it has visual guide, it doesnt consume other peoples time, and it wont kill you or destroy your pride.

i did that throughout all ARR and HW, why cant others do it too?
respect other people time, they are not there to baby sit you unless they put themselfs in that spot, supposedly by turning into a mentor

I would never expect someone to look up a guide for a dungeon or normal mode trial. That's honestly unreasonable to ask for in msq level content. Most things can be picked up pretty quickly anyway so aside from a handful of instances at most you'd wipe once. Big deal If a player is very bad at the game chances are a youtube video won't help. If you can't handle the fact that players need to learn content as they unlock it then stop playing with pugs.

[Halivel]

i did that throughout all ARR and HW, why cant others do it too?

Because they are not you.

i will tell them to watch youtube, its fast, it has visual guide, it doesnt consume other peoples time

Not all people are okay with video guides. Not all people are okay with any guides at all. I personally can watch/read it 1000000 times and understand absolute zero, but will learn fast when start actuall practice. And there are plenty of people like this, who prefer learn by practice. You can say "then play with FC/Friends", but not all have FC and friends, tones of people here play completely alone.

my time is worth more than people being lazy

respect other people time

I do understand this point, but you also should remember that your time is not worth more, than their. If you think it is, then I'm sorry, but then the one who should play with fixed party is you. You should respect others too, it's not one gate play.

Every time I use DF I'm ready that there probably will be somebody who play worse than rest of the party, or they need more time to adapt so I try to save at least 30 minutes for dungeon for not being have to rush. If suddenly I haven't time because need to do something right now then I apologize and leave. But whining that others should be faster? Because "my time is valuable"? It's broken selfish logic. Everyone's time is valuable, not only mine. And I did understand it pretty well when I was a mentor.

[Keddera_StormMoon]

my time is worth more than people being lazy, if they are gonna come into a dungeon for old content and expect that no matter who they are paired up with they have to nicely tell them what they are suppose to do when its a roulette duty that i do everyday, i will tell them to watch youtube, its fast, it has visual guide, it doesnt consume other peoples time, and it wont kill you or destroy your pride. yes, it is easier to have someone explain to you what to do on the spot, but it doesnt go through everything because people forget something or another and they will have to end up playing to understand the mechanics fully, so whats the point dude? i did that throughout all ARR and HW, why cant others do it too?
respect other people time, they are not there to baby sit you unless they put themselfs in that spot, supposedly by turning into a mentor

You are missing one fundamental -

Not everybody learns things best in a certain manner

Some are Visual learners - they do well with videos and such
Some are audio learners - videos do help these people somewhat as stuff is being explained.
Still others are tactile/kinetic learners - they only learn by actually DOING
And others are read/write learners - they only learn by writing or reading about the subject. These are your note takers and guide readers.

I know you mean well by suggesting the videos - but you need to keep in mind not everybody is capable of benefiting from them. Tactile learners don't learn much from videos or guides, they have to learn by actually doing.

[Gula]

I know you mean well by suggesting the videos - but you need to keep in mind not everybody is capable of benefiting from them. Tactile learners don't learn much from videos or guides, they have to learn by actually doing.

Are you a teacher? Because all this right here.

And I didn't buy this game plus expansions to watch someone else play the game for me. Telling someone to watch a whole guide because they can't be bothered to actually communicate in an MMO beyond insults and belittlement not only wastes more time, but is indeed rude.

[Keddera_StormMoon]

Are you a teacher? Because all this right here.

And I didn't buy this game plus expansions to watch someone else play the game for me. Telling someone to watch a whole guide because they can't be bothered to actually communicate in an MMO beyond insults and belittlement not only wastes more time, but is indeed rude.

Not officially, no. But I like to teach and training people on the software I support is a large part of my job.

Learning about the various types of learning is just one of the things I've picked up over the years and I've found to be true.

[Crystal_Raven]

I know you mean well by suggesting the videos - but you need to keep in mind not everybody is capable of benefiting from them. Tactile learners don't learn much from videos or guides, they have to learn by actually doing.

This is false.

You may not learn everything from a video, however, you can easily learn what happens at what time by watching a video. For example the boss rotation. If you are a healer you can easily learn the rotation of the boss by watching a video so you know exactly when to pop your strongest heals without missing a beat.

At the same time, if you are a tank, you can learn the correct time for a tank buster to pop your mitigation and avoid taking maximum damage. You don't need to be a genius to learn that, you just need to watch a video about the boss fight and have fairly basic brain functionality which I'm pretty sure everyone has.

I do this all the time. I regularly watch videos on Savage things for example so I know what the mechanics will be and I remember them and know what to do. The speed at which I react and do things increases as I go through the dungeon.

If I can do it, so can you, and person A, and B, and C, and everyone else.