In opposition of the inability to move waymarks in combat.

[Mikana]

First, know that I do not advocate the use of 3rd party tools for cheating.

This includes ACT triggers doing callouts for you, 3rd party tool placing waymarks for you and anything giving you an unearned advantage compared to regular players.

This is exceptionally unfair in an environment where many players are on Playstation 4 and do not have access to those tools. Even if they were available on PS4, I am against it for the reason that people should not spend hours downloading files on random websites to prepare for a raid, it is an inconvenience and a security risk.

While I agree that there needs to be changes in order to prevent people from exploiting those tools, from the perspective of a High End PVE raider that has cleared all Ultimate fights, I strongly oppose the removal of the ability to move waymarks during combat.

Many mechanics in this game rely on strategies that use the ability to move those waymarks around.

In The Epic of Alexander, I move waymarks around multiple times during the fight. I move "1" and "2" waymarks about 4 times in this fight, and I change ABCD for last phase to make Fate Calibration Alpha easier on my team.

Moving waymarks in the middle of combat can be challenging for some players, I really admired the paladin of my group when he was putting down the waymarks for the divebombs in UCOB while doing his own mechanics.

In the most recent ultimate, Alexander, I picked up on the job of moving waymarks strategically, it is a skill that deserves recognition and should not be taken away because there is a minority using third party tools.

Forcing a single set of 8 waymarks is going to be detrimental as you are going to be forced to make choices: "Do I want waymarks for this mechanic or for that other mechanic later in the fight?"

It is going to destroy strategies for difficult mechanics with lots of randomness that rely on the ability to adapt waymarks, such as Divebombs in the Nael phase of The Unending Coil of Bahamut where the inability to adapt waymarks to the dragon pattern you get is only going to make a very hard mechanic even harder.

As such, in my opinion, I think this change is going to hurt the raiding scene in Ultimate fights considering they are very long fights with lots of mechanics and elements of randomness.

Once again, I do agree that actions need to be taken to prevent the use of 3rd party tools that give unfair advantages; however, I don't think a change that radical is what the game needs and I think this is going to do more bad than good, maybe at least keep the ability to move 2 or 3 waymarks for mechanics and block the others, or add the ability to switch waymarks preset in combat.

Mikana Teka

Player since A Realm Reborn, high end raider since the start of Heavensward.

[Fuju]

I agree, having 8 set markers throughout the whole fight will also make visibility of some mechanics difficult.

In UCoB we purposefully removed some markers after reaching Bahamut since it was hard to see the difference between towers and the A mark against the red/dark background.

[Kuroka]

Gotta say, its another case of you reap what you've sow, just like the forced cutscenes. Ppl abused it and thats for that. Id still be more up for locking out all third party stuff but well...

I do say its slightly annoying as i cant replace em when showing ppl new fights or need it for a "quick get to A" or smt... but the saved sets are sweet, finally no more placing macros at every fights start.

[Darkpaw]

Sadly I have to agree. The community has brought this on itself. Those trigger add ons were going to get called out at some point and while it isn’t exactly a palatable change for all of us. It’s the necessary change for the health and fairness of the game.

Sucks to lose the ability but got no one to blame but ourselves.

[Mikana]

Thing is, i didn't bring it to myself, me or my static have never used stuff like that and we designed strats arounds waymarks we adjust and place manually in the middle of fights.

Just not fair to get punished because a minority decided to cheat.

Once again i agree actions needs to be taken, but we need to start punishing the cheaters rather than everyone.

It's like you're on math exam, someone decided to cheat by using a non reglemented calculator, and rather than punishing the offender, the whole class gets their calculator revoked, even those that weren't using it badly

[Darkpaw]

Thing is, i didn't bring it to myself, me or my static have never used stuff like that and we designed strats arounds waymarks we adjust and place manually in the middle of fights.

Just not fair to get punished because a minority decided to cheat.

Once again i agree actions needs to be taken, but we need to start punishing the cheaters rather than everyone.

Problem is how? Why? Because you can’t be sure who is using what without checking for installed software which is illegal. As they stated, this fix is the easiest most assured fix to take.

It re-levels the playing field. Because while it is a convenient tool. It’s only a convenience for PC players. What about those on ps4? They can’t have that convenience can they?

The community tolerated and was complicit in these add ons and didn’t call them out or restrain themselves from using it. Rather than let some people get away with it and others have no access to it, no one gets to use it and are restricted to the new system.

[Mikana]

It's not a convenience for PC players, it's a convenience for cheaters, most PC players don't use those tools, from their perspective, it can be a good idea yes.

But from my perspective as a 6+ year old high end PVE raider, they're taking away a tool i've been using for years in my strats (and by tool i mean the ability to move waymarks, not the software that places them, don't even know the name of the software)

And let's be honest

Do you really think people won't find another loophole ?

3rd party tools have been grey area for too long, but come on, if they inject data to the server you tell me they can't actually find it ? the server can't find when 6 waymarks are removed and replaced within 0.1 seconds ?

Hell, there's clear videos with people blatantly using those tools. Has anyone ever heard of a sentence on that ?

Even the world first clear uses it, and SE congratulated them on it, at this point i don't know what to tell you other that we have Square congratulating people using 3rd party tools.

[Darkpaw]

It's not a convenience for PC players, it's a convenience for cheaters, most PC players don't use those tools, from their perspective, it can be a good idea yes.

But from my perspective as a 6+ year old high end PVE raider, they're taking away a tool i've been using for years in my strats (and by tool i mean the ability to move waymarks, not the software that places them, don't even know the name of the software)

And let's be honest

Do you really think people won't find another loophole ?

3rd party tools have been grey area for too long, but come on, if they inject data to the server you tell me they can't actually find it ? the server can't find when 6 waymarks are removed and replaced within 0.1 seconds ?

Hell, there's clear videos with people blatantly using those tools. Has anyone ever heard of a sentence on that ?

Even the world first clear uses it, and SE congratulated them on it, at this point i don't know what to tell you other that we have Square congratulating people using 3rd party tools.

Dont disagree with you but it is what it is. The game is becoming more and more popular we are getting more and more new players so now they are having to clarify stances and make changes to level the playing field.

People will adjust and adapt to the new system. They may hate it, it may be unfair but it’s that or...no actually no or just that.

[Gula]

Thing is, i didn't bring it to myself, me or my static have never used stuff like that and we designed strats arounds waymarks we adjust and place manually in the middle of fights.

Just not fair to get punished because a minority decided to cheat.

Once again i agree actions needs to be taken, but we need to start punishing the cheaters rather than everyone.

It's like you're on math exam, someone decided to cheat by using a non reglemented calculator, and rather than punishing the offender, the whole class gets their calculator revoked, even those that weren't using it badly

Life isn't fair unless you were born with a silver spoon upbringing and hit the life lottery.

Just because you're holy and pure doesn't mean everyone else is. I regularly had to deal with those punishments in school FYI, you learn to adapt and deal with it.

[Kuroka]

And i gotta say, yes ill never manage any ultimate, but still, walking past perfect legends with their weps makes we wonder if they are legit... ppl are trash, im sry, i cant trust "you" would never cheat. Just look at... tentem or how that pokemon copy is called, they banned hundrets of cheater that most likely wanted to continue hacking just as they did on the original games. Its the same with pppl buying rmt stuff...


And using these addons on live cams during streams is kinda... just no, they corssed a line. I already wonder why the one streaming gotta show a parser...