Ast cards 6.0 rework

[Lastelli]

See, when you bemoan the old system's RNG reliance, you're neglecting to factor the tools we had to manipulate those cards and mitigate the randomness.

I'm not. A bole in a dungeon just meant (maybe) 1 less gravity on a wall-to-wall pull to me. An Ewer or a Spire just meant royal road ->redraw->minor arcana, always, unless someone died right after using their refresh tools and there was no ranged dps in the party, which while theoretically possible, is so rare that's not even worth mentioning. I know how AST works, I've been playing it since the day it was released in HW. No matter how people say that you could "manipulate rng" or "use effectively all the cards" (false), at the end of the day good luck with the previous system directly translated to an obscene amount of rdps contribution and variability was high enough to make it a nightmare to balance.

If people like the rng aspect so much and are truly convinced that all cards were useful, they should ask for a card system where dps buffs do not compete with other situational utilities. As soon as you let rng dictate whether you draw a dps buff or another kind of utility, the former always wins and balance dies. And like it or not, the devs have stated several times that good balance is extremely important to them.

[HyoMinPark]

If people like the rng aspect so much and are truly convinced that all cards were useful, they should ask for a card system where dps buffs do not compete with other situational utilities. As soon as you let rng dictate whether you draw a dps buff or another kind of utility, the former always wins and balance dies. And like it or not, the devs have stated several times that good balance is extremely important to them.

Another poster and I have suggested before the idea of 2 Spreads: one that allows you to hold a utility card and another that allows you to hold a damage card. That way, Ewer and Bole stop competing for a Spread slot with Balance—and it allows you to hold and save them for a more opportune moment of use.

The new system is just really uninspired. The Seals exist purely as a way to give 4 of the cards a reason to exist. Because, otherwise, you could just reduce it to 2 cards—1 ranged and 1 melee. Different combinations of Seals don’t do really anything other than decrease the damage boost Divination gives, and Minor Arcana is as uninspired as the rest of the deck. They’re barely better than a regular arcana. And Sleeve Draw could just be outright deleted at this point. With how terribly cumbersome it is, the kit would be better off without it, imo.

[Lastelli]

Another poster and I have suggested before the idea of 2 Spreads: one that allows you to hold a utility card and another that allows you to hold a damage card. That way, Ewer and Bole stop competing for a Spread slot with Balance—and it allows you to hold and save them for a more opportune moment of use.

That doesn't solve the problem at all. Balance would still compete with bole with the system you suggested when you draw or redraw, making that second spread a last resort when you don't get a dmg buff after you fished for it...but we already had a tool for that: minor arcana. And we both know that unless you draw an ewer exactly when you're oom because something went wrong or a bole when you realize at the last second that the tank forgot its cd before a tank buster (good luck with that), you'd just use minor arcana.

One thing they could do is keep divination as the only dmg up buff and repurpose all cards to be non-dps support utilities. Do realize, however, that the chance of having a system where dps buffs compete with other buffs is probably close to zero, for good reason.

Now I'm not saying the new system is not uninspired. But the previous system was a mess and had to be reworked.

[Rai_Takara]

One thing they could do is keep divination as the only dmg up buff and repurpose all cards to be non-dps support utilities. Do realize, however, that the chance of having a system where dps buffs compete with other buffs is probably close to zero, for good reason.

Now I'm not saying the new system is not uninspired. But the previous system was a mess and had to be reworked.

That's pretty much my thoughts on it. SE reslly cares about balance this time around and AST was begging to be fixed/standardized for a long time. It's not a perfect solution but, imo, better than the last 4 years.

[MitsukiKimura]

That doesn't solve the problem at all. Balance would still compete with bole with the system you suggested when you draw or redraw, making that second spread a last resort when you don't get a dmg buff after you fished for it...but we already had a tool for that: minor arcana. And we both know that unless you draw an ewer exactly when you're oom because something went wrong or a bole when you realize at the last second that the tank forgot its cd before a tank buster (good luck with that), you'd just use minor arcana.

One thing they could do is keep divination as the only dmg up buff and repurpose all cards to be non-dps support utilities. Do realize, however, that the chance of having a system where dps buffs compete with other buffs is probably close to zero, for good reason.

Now I'm not saying the new system is not uninspired. But the previous system was a mess and had to be reworked.

This new system is worse than the old. There's no judgement in throwing cards on anyone. This system forces players to fish for a specific card for your highest DPS teammate and rinse and repeat until you get sleeve draw again while also fishing for seals. Trying to say this system as it stands is fine, is border line a joke. While it may have temporary solved the balance fishing, the cards, how it plays along with sleeve draw is worse of a mess than what it was 4 years ago. I've seen the outcry over it, it's upset more people than I want to count.

[Malmstrom]

This new system is worse than the old.

[MitsukiKimura]

Guess these are just also opinions huh?

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...out-SE-and-Ast

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-expansion-pls

JP community are way more vocal about this than we are but I don't think you've noticed

[Malmstrom]

That is exactly what opinions are, yes.

I also noted that one of the threads started off about fearing being overbuffed before you dragged your hate for the new system into it.

[MitsukiKimura]

That is exactly what opinions are, yes.

I also noted that one of the threads started off about fearing being overbuffed before you dragged your hate for the new system into it.

Do you even play AST or do you just come here with a bad attitude toward people who express their discomfort with it

[Malmstrom]

Do you even play AST or do you just come here with a bad attitude toward people who express their discomfort with it

Leveled it to cap 4 times!

Is it really a bad attitude, or do you just perceive a different opinion as such?

I'm playing devil's advocate (albeit mildly trollishly) more than anything. I'm largely neutral about it either way.