Thread: Ast cards 6.0 rework

Originally Posted by Malmstrom

Which part doesn't work?

Because all I see is he said they won't revert it and that he agrees with that, but he wouldn't be opposed to changes.

You can voice your discontent all you want, but for them to go back to the old system is about as likely as Protect coming back in it's original form.

Bow mage says hi o/

Originally Posted by Crushnight

Bow mage says hi o/

Which has what to do with what? It was bad bow mage, then more bow mage, now it's not bow mage at all.

Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

What do you mean? ARR BRD wasn’t a bowmage. Only HW BRD was bowmage. Then SB BRD wasn’t a bowmage anymore. There was no “bad bowmage, then more bad bowmage”. It was just one expansion worth of that iteration of BRD.

Crushnight’s point is that they can go back on “old systems”, and have done it in the past—they did it with BRD, so hence his example. BRD was completely overhauled going from HW to SB. Repertoire and the current song system did not exist prior to 4.0.

You are correct, and I had to go back and look at an old video because I could not for the life of me think about ARR BRD. I started about two months before HW dropped, so sorry on that particular comment. However, my later reply still stands: They didn't "overhaul" bard when they took away Repertoire. They removed it and adjusted potencies to compensate. The mobile bard still existed, so there wasn't anything to "revert" to. There's a pretty big difference between that and the card system revamp.

Originally Posted by Rai_Takara

MP is strictly a healer thing now

DRK, PLD, BLM, RDM, SMN, WHM, AST, SCH

Nearly half the jobs still use MP.

Not that I'm arguing for Ewer, just stating a general fact.

MP is strictly a healer thing now

I can see what you meant by that, but the truer statement would be:

MP restoration is now self-only.

But then again, healers are the only class that actually uses mana as ‘mana’, since others’ is either a fluctuating resource bar (BLM, DRK, PLD) or a nonissue outside of mass-raising (SMN, RDM)

Originally Posted by Malmstrom

DRK, PLD, BLM, RDM, SMN, WHM, AST, SCH

Nearly half the jobs still use MP.

Not that I'm arguing for Ewer, just stating a general fact.

Right, but iirc, I think only healers need the MP from Lucid (and at that, especially AST). Every other job is functional without it. Assuming no deaths of course, because designing a job based on recovery and balancing it as such is never a good idea (like RDM atm). So really the old ewer wouldn't be much use for a good majority of the time.

Originally Posted by Rai_Takara

Right, because an interview about 4 years ago is the same as the one from the previous live letter in this expansion. On top of that the more recent ones don't touch upon the cards at all for what I suspect are two reasons, A) nothing for them to do as it's working as intended, B) no solution to the issue so no reason to get anyones hopes up.

If they don't address your complaints about cards this live letter after a little over 6 months. Then it's next expansion, if at all. So we'll find out Thursday. I'm all for changes, but I'm against RNG damage buffs or other buffs at the cost of damage buffs. It simply won't work for balance.

Perhaps all 6 cards balance/bole/ewer/etc could be non damage cards and divination be the only damage source which is 2 mins guarenteed.

I put that out as proof of how the devs can alter their state of mind after a period of time.

Remember 3.X debacle with ast going from undertuned to overtuned, yea history is repeating itself again, if Diurnal ast gets any buff outside mp for 5.2, i think you will need to face it that the devs actually have no clue what to do and are just sticking with whatever because they don't understand the very thing they are designing(1 nuke spam for 60% of casts in ultimate raids sounds fun right).

You know what I'll happily eat my words if that doesn't happen but we will see.

Originally Posted by Malmstrom

Which has what to do with what? It was bad bow mage, then more bow mage, now it's not bow mage at all.

Everything you said applied to Bow mage, the devs were content with it, knew people were unhappy while others were happy, just buffed it to keep people wanting it (remember meta for creator was nin,drg,brd,mch for dps) then completely scrapped the entire idea of bow mage for 4.0 brd.

The negative voices changed that brd direction. If you all like to keep current ast system for beyond 5.X I highly suggest making positive threads for it (expect negative people in them as public forum) to better the chances if the memo gets over that 90%(random ass pull I have no figures nor does anyone) of vocal asts are unhappy with card system what do you think be up to the changemorphophier come next revamp/rework.

Straight up same thing can happen to ast only 6.0 will tell

Originally Posted by Crushnight

Everything you said applied to Bow mage, the devs were content with it, knew people were unhappy while others were happy, just buffed it to keep people wanting it (remember meta for creator was nin,drg,brd,mch for dps) then completely scrapped the entire idea of bow mage for 4.0 brd.

The negative voices changed that brd direction. If you all like to keep current ast system for beyond 5.X I highly suggest making positive threads for it (expect negative people in them as public forum) to better the chances if the memo gets over that 90%(random ass pull I have no figures nor does anyone) of vocal asts are unhappy with card system what do you think be up to the changemorphophier come next revamp/rework.

Straight up same thing can happen to ast only 6.0 will tell

I could be a bit hazy on the details, but if I recall correctly (and I'm sure I don't)...

Bard was mobile like it is now until what, 52? Then it got that thing that added cast times to all its shots and increased the potency of them. There may have been some shots that required the stance (I don't remember now) but you still had the option of turning it off to sacrifice damage for mobility. The mobile aspect of Bard was never completely scrapped. Eventually, yes, they removed that stand still shot timer skill thing (I cannot for the life of me remember what it was called) and adjusted the potencies to make up for it, but that's it. That's not a revert. That's not scrapping a whole system and changing it almost completely. They took what was still there and modified it.

The card system, however, got a straight up overhaul. Cards were changed, seals were added, spells were removed. Going to the old system wouldn't be as simple as removing one skill and adjusting potencies.

It would be a revert to a previous iteration of the kit, and THAT is the part that isn't going to happen.