Quote Originally Posted by Peptaru View Post
FFXI was already great before 10 years had passed. IMO that's an awful arguement. How long was it out before the release of Zilart? >>>Was released in the states w/ this expansion after ~2years of "growth" in Japan <<< From the release of Zilart it was fantastic until a certain expansion made it as easy as XIV, no?
Not sure how this is flying over peoples heads.

You misunderstand my meaning. In FFXI the game wasn't "broken"
Clarification: FFXI was good at release FFXIV was not, broken UI broken Combat ... the list is f'in long.;

, what I mean by "didn't start with everything already in place" is: it didn't have 10 years worth of expansion content included, no MMO to date has all the content included from day one. Find one that didn't have expansions, level cap increases, and the like.
Clarification: FFXI as well as FFXIV and all other MMOs have content added over time, how was that not clear?

FFXIV was released in a beta(barely) quality state, it was a train wreck and the persons responsible have been replaced, or does noone remember that part.
Clarification: see clarification 1;

That does not mean that it's content for the next 10 years worth of expansions should have been present at release date though.
Clarification: Expansions like in all others should be added as time passes.

As for time frame that things went downhill, well anyone playing when abyssea was released can tell you when it went to hell. When a 99pld asks what "Provoke" is for and then says should I "cure" myself or "do I need to use a shield, I'd rather use a g.sword" ...