Fighting Desperately...

[Bebekurenai]

I wouldn't compare FF14 with FF11, talking about dificulty, content etc, when FF14 is not even finished yet. I understand the nostalgia and even feel it too sometimes, but you can't just compare an unfinished game with a finished one and with many expansions running for years. Yes, FF14 failed at launch. Yes, it still fails at some aspects and has a lot to do still. But Yoshi-P could easily have closed all servers and redo the game and open again for 2.0. But he left servers open and running, started to charge a monthly fee which isn't even the one planned, so we could still be here while he fixes everything. He even listens to the community when things are not working as planned or should be changed.
In my opinion, things are now as they are (easy, not much time needed etc) so we can enjoy on a short run what there is to offer, have some easy fun, don't break our heads with 18man battles, until everything is done for 2.0.

Once the new game is out, then we might be able to compare it with another finished game, and once it has been out for years, with the likes. Until then, you have nostalgia? I have it too, I spent amazing years back in Vanadiel, and if a conversation comes up, I will always remember my newb days running from the orcs and getting killed by a ram on the way to Valkurm. But I will give this one a chance, and start comparing once it's finished.

[Stanislaw]

Kinda late, but:

Dude, seriously. I used to play 10hrs. each and every day (except weekends) until about 3 weeks before 1.21 when I finally got back to work. However, now I work 52hrs. per week and odd shifts. I don't have the time anymore. I never finished Darkhold (after my reroll) because nobody was doing it and I was leaving it until that random opportunity came along.

Any more of my personal life you'd like divulged to satisfy your bloodthirst? I really don't care what you think of me, Signore. Really don't.

You're that busy, yet you want to ditch FFXIV to play FFXI? Which is way more time consuming than FFXIV?

Just curious. Really.

[Jinko]

QQ boo hoo QQ

I agree though if you miss FF11 that much you should go and play that instead, this will never be anything like FF11 and that I am thankful of.

/cheers for WoW

A better point, as far as difficulty, would be to ask: Did you cap all your battlecraft jobs in 2 months? Did you cap every class in the game in 5 months or less? Did you complete all the AF quests in 2 days or less?

Nope I did not but if you look at my sig, I haven't capped the same in 18 months playing this game either.

Some people just spend 10 hours a day levelling classes and then complain that there is nothing to do and that everything is easy, well you need to pace yourself sir.

FFXI was difficult on it's own, I saw full alliances wipe on gods back in 2009. XI was difficult and time consuming, in spite of what seem people seem to believe time consumption is a good thing, it keeps you from burning through the entire game's content in 5 minutes. People were getting all AF sets in 2 days, that's ridiculous.

Yup and others are taking months (100+ fights) to get 7/7 on Ifrit, some have gone 100+ and still not got the weapon they want.

Sounds like a bad case of picky choosy and tunnel vision if you ask me.

Lets not forget here also that Job and AF quests were tuned for the respective level of the quest, we are all lvl 50 and steam rolled thought it, again I'll just pick out the stuff that makes my argument work kind of mentality.

[Xoo]

You're that busy, yet you want to ditch FFXIV to play FFXI? Which is way more time consuming than FFXIV?

Just curious. Really.

I believe the first sentence of the OP says something to the effect of, "I'll go back to FFXI and play all the jobs I used to love from Lv1 solo".

Solo means I can play at my own pace.

[Xoo]

i want to sympathize with you in this thread, op, but your gross lack of game experience makes me seriously doubt your clout as a character witness.

whether the game is easy or not (and it is- though you miss the mark on why), how do you even know? how could you begin to?

lol, oh well. moving on then.

Hello Verily,

Now that that's outta the way...

Are you to tell me that you don't, and therefore nobody, can form an honest and experienced opinion about a particular subject after being exposed to it for an average of 40hrs. per week during a 18-month span? Sorry, some of us aren't that slow.

/picks up a stone, lurches backward and hurls it at the world's population, amazingly, hitting Verily himself/herself square between the eyes.

[Suneater]

I have to agree with what others have said in that most of the difficulty in XI came from unfun game mechanics such as long pop timers/lockouts, low drop rates, and a lack of instancing. I would prefer more character customization but I think combat is in a good spot right now. I think that the "click me to not suck" reaction abilities blinking when they are available is actually a good thing because you have a lot of skill options and they have small windows of availability. FFXIV after all the recent patches is really moving in a good direction and I think Yoshi-P knows what he's doing with them game.

[Destain]

Which is the bigger picture I'm getting at - FFXIV is neither challenging nor time-consuming.

Ooohh I found your problem by checking your lodestone profile. It seems you have a lack of completion of any remotely difficult content, a common problem. No mog... No Cutters Cry.

I'm not saying the game is super hard. I am saying your opinion as an uninformed one and you seem to think time sink = difficulty. Oh, i went 1/1 on each Maat fight btw. I was suprised you stated that as a difficulty in ffxi. Good luck in the future.

[Jinko]

/picks up a stone, lurches backward and hurls it at the world's population, amazingly, hitting Verily himself/herself square between the eyes.

That's just mean ..

[Enfarious]

Ooohh I found your problem by checking your lodestone profile. It seems you have a lack of completion of any remotely difficult content, a common problem. No mog... No Cutters Cry.

On that char ... that person is not me and I am not them, but I did look it up on the lodestone, read the blog ...

I'm not saying the game is super hard. I am saying your opinion as an uninformed one and you seem to think time sink = difficulty.

I've remade my chars(2) over and over ever time I leave and come back after what I believe will be a significant patch. That doesn't mean I don't have experience in things, it means that on the 1 char your seeing on the lodestone I don't show much. Yeah I played from beta on, pre-ordered CE and played from it's launch date, but I quit after 2 months because it was garbage and not shaping up fast enough for me to waste more time on it in that state.
After a number of patches I returned, think it was for the one that introduced the much needed auto-attack. I started over from scratch but XI was still my primary time sink and this still didn't warrant a change. Que > quit > return in 3 months > restart.
All told ~8 months play time yet not 1 50job, not 1 significant Dungeon, and few achievements, and if/when I get sick of some of the broken mechanics present now I'll quit again and return after yet another patch to start over again.

Oh, i went 1/1 on each Maat fight btw. I was suprised you stated that as a difficulty in ffxi. Good luck in the future.

Really, how long did you sit outside Jeuno spamming for skillups? Scripted or did you actually do it yourself? The first time I ran for Maat (~2004) it was a pure massacre and I can't remember anyone back then or up until Aby that can say they didn't get raped their first time through. Well can say it, but really ...

The simple fact in all of this is that most people share the opinion that this game is still very weak-sauce, it is improving, and needs to continue to improve, we all seem to agree on that so why are we all attacking each other and ranting?

WoW set a standard by attracting 9~12 year olds, that were super impressionable and imprinted on WoW like a bird just coming out of it's shell. I say this not to be a dick but because a friend 9yr old had ~15 friends in school that played w/ all their friends and she refused to let him play. Seriously whole servers of pre-teens ...
FFXI was for adults, FFXIV tried (and failed) to combine grindcore players with softcore players.
I miss my menus, I want to have all 6 elements at my disposal on BLM both single target and AoE for each that are useful. I want to have 22 WSs on DD jobs. I want to have 90 spells at my disposal if I'm on a mage job. The reason WoW and it's clones have such limited numbers of skills is because children struggle to remember that the ones they can't see in from of them are still there.

Before anyone rants about my exp. Yes I've played WoW, Rift, LotR, Lineage2, Beta'd GW, STO, and quite obviously FFXI and FFXIV. This is the only thought non-team-skill(meaning my skills open weaknesses for yours, skillchains, magic bursts, etc.), action bar, mash 1~= and you WILL win (seriously even should you die you get back up and still win) more often than not game that I continue to play, because I believe it has potential and I'll always give SE a fair shake, since somewhere ~1995/6 when I played Mystic Quest which was simply atrocious.

I don't remember even getting 1 full set of AF in XI in a day, and if you were doing it when it was level appropriate it took a full party to farm keys ...

[Xoo]

Ooohh I found your problem by checking your lodestone profile. It seems you have a lack of completion of any remotely difficult content, a common problem. No mog... No Cutters Cry.

I'm not saying the game is super hard. I am saying your opinion as an uninformed one and you seem to think time sink = difficulty. Oh, i went 1/1 on each Maat fight btw. I was suprised you stated that as a difficulty in ffxi. Good luck in the future.

Wait, Moogle/AV/CC are difficult now? About as much as Ifrit, before the vids, I presume. You folks are starving for an argument if you're going to persist with this belief that one hasn't played FFXIV until one clears the aforementioned content. Ridiculous.

And, I never said anything about Maat. Sheesh.