Fighting Desperately...

[Galoot]

Not really Bunto, it's our way of venting our frustration of not having the same experience we were expecting when getting into FFXIV. I feel that all of the negative posters didn't have the wherewithal to push through levels and actually work towards something, just want everything handed to them. But seriously congrats on Lv50 THM, how long that take you? Three or four days? I wouldn't mind going back to how slow it was in the beginning when it took us 3-4 months to level something to 50, but the "whiners" spoke and the whole system turned into PL fest. What's the accomplishment in leveling when you can max everything in a month...

[YUGON]

Not really Bunto, it's our way of venting our frustration of not having the same experience we were expecting when getting into FFXIV. I feel that all of the negative posters didn't have the wherewithal to push through levels and actually work towards something, just want everything handed to them. But seriously congrats on Lv50 THM, how long that take you? Three or four days? I wouldn't mind going back to how slow it was in the beginning when it took us 3-4 months to level something to 50, but the "whiners" spoke and the whole system turned into PL fest. What's the accomplishment in leveling when you can max everything in a month...

Totally agree! Still there are some people that hate PL, and are leveling their jobs the "good" way. Still is a pain in the ass to level up Levequesting, but still, I prefer doing that way rather than have ALL jobs at 50 in a week.

[Xoo]

Yugon, you have to understand that it doesn't make much sense when you post this:

Rly, If u want to go back to FFXI, just go. No one is posting everything they wanna do.

And then you "totally agree!" with this:

Not really Bunto, it's our way of venting our frustration of not having the same experience we were expecting when getting into FFXIV. I feel that all of the negative posters didn't have the wherewithal to push through levels and actually work towards something, just want everything handed to them. But seriously congrats on Lv50 THM, how long that take you? Three or four days? I wouldn't mind going back to how slow it was in the beginning when it took us 3-4 months to level something to 50, but the "whiners" spoke and the whole system turned into PL fest. What's the accomplishment in leveling when you can max everything in a month...

Sort of sending mixed messages there, bud.

[YUGON]

Yugon, you have to understand that it doesn't make much sense when you post this:



And then you "totally agree!" with this:



Sort of sending mixed messages there, bud.

I agreed with the "irony" of "Grats on your THM50! etc.." in the way that playing that way is not like playing (personal opinion). I do not want to go back to FFXI. That game had it's time, and now is XIV time, but that doesn't mean that EVERYONE has to make a post to tell that "they want to go back to FFXI because....", because is the same that "Please, implement "whatever FFXI had" threads.

Hope you understand me better. If not... Sorry! xD

[Xoo]

I agreed with the "irony" of "Grats on your THM50! etc.." in the way that playing that way is not like playing (personal opinion). I do not want to go back to FFXI. That game had it's time, and now is XIV time, but that doesn't mean that EVERYONE has to make a post to tell that "they want to go back to FFXI because....", because is the same that "Please, implement "whatever FFXI had" threads.

I understand and agree that I don't have any special entitlements in posting this thread, yet, the true point of it was to get people talking. It was meant as a catalyst. Even a TROLL THREAD, if you choose to see it that way. Only in this thread's last 2-3 pages has it emerged from the flame-war and the endless, inevitable debate over the difference between 'time-sink' and 'challenge'. Notice that by my second or third post, I let go of that argument, because that's not the issue I intended this thread to settle.

[Xoo]

I used to really like XIV, but then...

[KiriA500]

I used to really like XIV, but then...

[Dinh]

Thing is that people who played XI were expecting XIV to be similar in the sense that, yes, it did take forever to get something to max level. But the false sense of achievement was greater. You felt like you accomplished something, which, in my opinion XIV does not deliver. Same goes for camping that NM because you WANTED to, no one held a gun to any persons head and said that they HAD to have leaping boots or an emp pin. But when you got them you had a sense of accomplishment whether or not you really knew it. Most people would say that they were just glad they were done camping that NM... but really think about it.

Now to all the people who are saying that if you like XI so much go back to it. I say to those people, if you want a casual game go f***ing play WoW or Rift and leave Final Fantasy to what it is. In comparison playing FFVII (I'm using 7 cause everyone seems to think it's the greatest thing since sliced bread...) AVERAGE playtime was 40-50 hours. That being said, do you really think that doing what little quests there are as far as main storyline and leveling 1 class/job to 50 takes 40-50 hours? Maybe, if you don't use anima, read every line of dialog, and have an hour long seizure in there from time to time.

Now, I'm fully aware that that game is single player and certain factors do come into play such as waiting for a party invite, constant server maintenence, and other excuses of the sort. But, the problem is that "Final Fantasy" is stamped on the title screen of this game, which, pulling from the way the games were through 13 iterations with some sequels that shall not be mentioned, is synonymous with hours upon hours of gameplay and story depth. The story may not be the greatest but at least there was one with information holding it all together and throwing the player into the story to make them feel as they are involved. XIV does none of that.

tl,dr Shortened Version. This is Final Fantasy, if you want something casual, go play something else.

[Niqote]

I returned to FFXI when I took a break from FFXIV last year, I stopped playing in a month.
Why? It takes 2 days to get a job 1-90 then you farm the same NMs over and over and over and over and OVER for pages for your AF3. Unless you want to run around solo/duoing old story content then it's all you can do. The End D:

I have faith in the direction FFXIV is going, if you are so dissatisfied I recommend you do what I did and take 5-10 months break from it and come back all fresh and new ^_^

[ThePatriarch]

I love reading threads with people complaining about how XI was easy, and that it sucked etc.

Going to post my usual.

Final Fantasy XI currently has around 300,000~ subscriptions.

Final Fantasy XIV has below 10,000 active players.

Yeah we should make fun of XI. For sure. Good Call.