Fighting Desperately...

[Tibian]

The thread is to the point of people just reminiscing and you need to be a jackass? I'm sorry you didn't like XI, but you shouldn't be able to defend XIV as it stands now. Maybe after 2.0. Its fine to disagree with someone's thoughts, but all you did was attack and name call without being provoked in the slightest. If you got called out, insulted, ignored, or ANYTHING then I could see your attitude, but you weren't. If you are just lookin to start an arguement in here that you could already find elsewhere, then my apologies, feel free to make yourself look like a jerk. If all XI is was masochism then gtfo and leave us sadists to remember the times fondly.

Edit: PS; I believe you meant XI was sadistic and we the players were masochistic. I just remarked sadist to conform to your description of XI.

The purpose of my post is to voice an opposing side to XI loyalists. I do not want to see XI's masochistic tendencies in 2.0 at all, even in the slightest form.

The OP is clearly deluded by his or her nostalgia for XI and claims XIV is bad because it isn't taking the antiquated concepts from XI and implementing them.

It is also very RARE that you see any of my posts defending XIV, because I in fact think the game is still in a very sour state and will continue to be until 2.0. With that being said, the current state of XIV is by far, more enjoyable to me than XI ever was due to its non-masochistic concepts.

Did XI do some correct things? Certainly, but the OP does not mention those concepts and instead focuses on what I consider the worst part of XI -- the mind numbing, persistent, body aching grind of time and monotony, and then wants to see it directly in XIV. So yes, I will be loud, critical, and very adamant against most of what the OP has to say in hopes that the CR team does see that people (such as myself) dislike 70% or more of what XI stood for and do not think that implemented XI mechanics are a good idea.

[Xoo]

The OP is clearly deluded by his or her nostalgia for XI and claims XIV is bad because it isn't taking the antiquated concepts from XI and implementing them.

It is also very RARE that you see any of my posts defending XIV, because I in fact think the game is still in a very sour state and will continue to be until 2.0. With that being said, the current state of XIV is by far, more enjoyable to me than XI ever was due to its non-masochistic concepts.

Did XI do some correct things? Certainly, but the OP does not mention those concepts and instead focuses on what I consider the worst part of XI -- the mind numbing, persistent, body aching grind of time and monotony, and then wants to see it directly in XIV. So yes, I will be loud, critical, and very adamant against most of what the OP has to say in hopes that the CR team does see that people (such as myself) dislike 70% or more of what XI stood for and do not think that implemented XI mechanics is a good idea.

Good gameplay is antiquated? Man, if that ain't the truth. You say XIV is "still in a very sour state", yet you play it, and then have the audacity to come down on those 'FFXI masochists'? Hah. Hey, if WoW was such a great game, go back to it? Apparently both XIV and XI aren't up to your high standards... lol.

How am I to point out things you favored in a game you say you didn't even like? Your last paragraph begins with nonsense, immediately followed by blatant lies (I never mentioned grinding at all - you just threw that in there for some generic XI bashing), only to end up pulling random, imaginary people and a large percentage of their imaginary opinion out of thin air to support your claims.

I appreciate your attempt, but honestly Tibian, you make a very poor case for your argument.

[Tibian]

Good gameplay is antiquated?
Man, if that ain't the truth. You say XIV is "still in a very sour state", yet you play it, and then have the audacity to come down on those 'FFXI masochists'?

Unbeknownst to you, I was not registered when subscriptions went into play because I did not think the game was fit to play. The only reason why I am subscribed right now is because I wanted to leave the server I was on for a more English populated server, my decision has been a very good one.

Hah. Hey, if WoW was such a great game, go back to it? Apparently both XIV and XI aren't up to your high standards... lol.

I am concurrently subscribed to WoW. After this patch and mergers I have enjoyed XIV to the point where I may still stay subscribed. 2.0 has much promise, and the development of XIV has certainly been a miraculous turn of events as far as "failed MMOs" come. I am willing to give games second chances if they improve, XIV certainly has.

How am I to point out things you favored in a game you say you didn't even like?

You don't have to. You pointed out the things I have no desire to see in XIV, so I voiced my opinions against yours.

only to end up pulling random, imaginary people and a large percentage of their imaginary opinion out of thin air to support his claims.

Please learn to read sufficiently.
I'll requote just to give you another chance.

So yes, I will be loud, critical, and very adamant against most of what the OP has to say in hopes that the CR team does see that people (such as myself) dislike 70% or more of what XI stood for and do not think that implemented XI mechanics is a good idea.

No where did I mention a false percentage of "people." 70% is what I attribute to the majority of the game that I think is garbage. I did not state anything about a false percentage of "people".

[Xoo]

Yes, god forbid WoW for RAISING people's MMO standards to where "fun, exciting, and challenging," actually meant "fun, exciting, and challenging," all while keeping a wide variety of players happy and content.

You were on a roll, Tibian, and then you had to go and do this. You know, I'm sure somewhere there's a WoW forum where this comment would be better suited; A place where my eyes would never have to read such horrid blasphemy.

And, it's okay Peptaru, he's only responding to my opinions as if they were facts that he must vehemently defend.

[JakeRoon]

You were on a roll, Tibian, and then you had to go and do this. You know, I'm sure somewhere there's a WoW forum where this comment would be better suited; A place where my eyes would never have to read such horrid blasphemy.

And, it's okay Peptaru, he's only responding to my opinions as if they were facts that he must vehemently defend.

He is correct (although I am ashamed to admit it).
WoW has set the current bar for mos, it must be fun, exciting and challenging or so many ppl would not be playing it. It has smashed every other mmo ever in existence for subscribers think.

*shakes head is disgust* and all with horrible scooby doo graphics too.

[Peptaru]

Please express opinions all you want, but all you did was call the person many names for having a differing opinion while expressing your own that they may or may not agree with. Its not what you said, its how you said it. Name calling is stpuid, this post of yours is written in a much better way, save for saying the OP is deluded instead of the OP's memories are deluded. That's a small thing, though.

[fusional]

i want to sympathize with you in this thread, op, but your gross lack of game experience makes me seriously doubt your clout as a character witness.

whether the game is easy or not (and it is- though you miss the mark on why), how do you even know? how could you begin to?

lol, oh well. moving on then.

[Biggs]

i want to sympathize with you in this thread, op, but your gross lack of game experience makes me seriously doubt your clout as a character witness.

whether the game is easy or not (and it is- though you miss the mark on why), how do you even know? how could you begin to?

lol, oh well. moving on then.

I have seen this stance taken by so many on these forums. What then would you classify as an acceptable level of experience one would need then to have an opinion about the game? Should I go out and level all my jobs to 50? Say I did that, and made a comment; some douche would then just say "well yeah but your haven't done the dungeons yet". So then say I did that as well. I would then have some asshat say I didn't know what I was talking about until I had completed all the achievments. We could play this retarded nitpicking game all day actually, but the fact remains people like that will never be satisfied with other opinions that don't mesh with theirs mostly because they are too stupid to grasp the concept of what an opinion actually is. I could play this game for all of 35 seconds and decide it sucks with zero basis for my argument besides not liking the character models, and it would still form a sound opinion because opinions are like assholes Fusional, whether you like it or not, best to just accept it and move on.

[fusional]

What then would you classify as an acceptable level of experience one would need then to have an opinion about the game?

do you think healing in a leveling party is the same as healing moogle? do you think dpsing in a leveling party or in solo leves is the same as dpsing in AV? for that matter, do you think doing anything in darkhold is the same as in CC? are ifrit and moogle the same? are av and cc the same? do you think dh and av/cc are the same? do you think because you've fought ifrit you could oneshot moogle? do you think because you beat batraal you could faceroll through av speed clears?

the point is- i take this stance because i get tired of people experiencing a very finite section of a game and assuming they can make a 100% accurate judgment about everything else in the game as a result. it's absolutely stupid, for the same reason it's stupid when people start playing WoW and get run through wailing caverns for the first time then assume every endgame raid is that way.

speaking from experience is fine, as long as you speak about that which you actually have experience with. if you don't have experience with something, either don't address it or do so prefaced with "i haven't actually done this, but my assumption is _______" so it's very clear you're contributing your largely baseless opinion.

and opinions are fine. we can have those. we can share those. i'm just saying- having an opinion on Simurgh, whether valid or not, doesn't mean you have a valid opinion on King Behemoth. if you've experienced both, though, and want to share your opinions on either or both- fine. completely and totally fine.

but that's not what people are doing, and it's dumb, and i take issue with that.

[Xoo]

i want to sympathize with you in this thread, op, but your gross lack of game experience makes me seriously doubt your clout as a character witness.

whether the game is easy or not (and it is- though you miss the mark on why), how do you even know? how could you begin to?

lol, oh well. moving on then.

Hello Verily,

Now that that's outta the way...

Are you to tell me that you don't, and therefore nobody, can form an honest and experienced opinion about a particular subject after being exposed to it for an average of 40hrs. per week during a 18-month span? Sorry, some of us aren't that slow.

/picks up a stone, lurches backward and hurls it at the world's population, amazingly, hitting Verily himself/herself square between the eyes.