Healer dps is unfairly boring

[Billythepancake]

So you want healers to have to worry about a DPS rotation on top of being responsible for keeping the party alive? Making one of the most stressful roles in a party into one of the most complex to play at a baseline level would not be a good idea design wise.

How anyone finds healing in this game stressful, outside of maybe ultimate, is beyond me. You spend 90% of your time dpsing anyway and when you do need to heal you stop dpsing for just a second, use an oGCD, and go back to dpsing. Sometimes if you somehow run out of OGCDS you'll use a GCD. Unless your tank has glass bones and paper skin, or your the kind of healer that has to kiss away any booboo and cant let the tank miss even 10hp, you will be spending the vast majority of your time dpsing as a healer so why shouldnt they have more to do besides spam 1?

[monk-dps]

How anyone finds healing in this game stressful, outside of maybe ultimate, is beyond me. You spend 90% of your time dpsing anyway and when you do need to heal you stop dpsing for just a second, use an oGCD, and go back to dpsing. Sometimes if you somehow run out of OGCDS you'll use a GCD. Unless your tank has glass bones and paper skin, or your the kind of healer that has to kiss away any booboo and cant let the tank miss even 10hp, you will be spending the vast majority of your time dpsing as a healer so why shouldnt they have more to do besides spam 1?

To be fair... people fuck up everything in this game. You can have a quest that only has you walk for 2 mins and you'll still get people who will cry that is too hard and mess it up.

[Reyna_Balmore]

How anyone finds healing in this game stressful, outside of maybe ultimate, is beyond me. You spend 90% of your time dpsing anyway and when you do need to heal you stop dpsing for just a second, use an oGCD, and go back to dpsing. Sometimes if you somehow run out of OGCDS you'll use a GCD. Unless your tank has glass bones and paper skin, or your the kind of healer that has to kiss away any booboo and cant let the tank miss even 10hp, you will be spending the vast majority of your time dpsing as a healer so why shouldnt they have more to do besides spam 1?

Agreed wholeheartedly with this

[MitsukiKimura]

How anyone finds healing in this game stressful, outside of maybe ultimate, is beyond me. You spend 90% of your time dpsing anyway and when you do need to heal you stop dpsing for just a second, use an oGCD, and go back to dpsing. Sometimes if you somehow run out of OGCDS you'll use a GCD. Unless your tank has glass bones and paper skin, or your the kind of healer that has to kiss away any booboo and cant let the tank miss even 10hp, you will be spending the vast majority of your time dpsing as a healer so why shouldnt they have more to do besides spam 1?

Literally this. I used to do nothing but DPS and use my OGCD's as an AST when it was needed so much that I actually got screwed on my MP for casting Malefic too much even when I had lucid and Lightspeed off cool down each time. I hated it.

[Elladie]

How anyone finds healing in this game stressful, outside of maybe ultimate, is beyond me. You spend 90% of your time dpsing anyway and when you do need to heal you stop dpsing for just a second, use an oGCD, and go back to dpsing. Sometimes if you somehow run out of OGCDS you'll use a GCD. Unless your tank has glass bones and paper skin, or your the kind of healer that has to kiss away any booboo and cant let the tank miss even 10hp, you will be spending the vast majority of your time dpsing as a healer so why shouldnt they have more to do besides spam 1?

I don't find healing stressful in this game. It's engaging, and I enjoy it. And as I have said previously, all the other healers in my FC and linkshells are also happy with the current iterations. I have 4 DPS buttons on SCH and 4 on WHM and that's plenty thanks. If I wanted to focus on a more complex DPS rotation, I'd play a DPS.

[Shinkage]

How anyone finds healing in this game stressful, outside of maybe ultimate, is beyond me. You spend 90% of your time dpsing anyway and when you do need to heal you stop dpsing for just a second, use an oGCD, and go back to dpsing. Sometimes if you somehow run out of OGCDS you'll use a GCD. Unless your tank has glass bones and paper skin, or your the kind of healer that has to kiss away any booboo and cant let the tank miss even 10hp, you will be spending the vast majority of your time dpsing as a healer so why shouldnt they have more to do besides spam 1?

Umm, being in a new dungeon you've never healed before with a tank that pulls far more than they should, doesn't use proper cool downs, and can't keep aggro from the DPS that hit whatever mob they feel like can be quite stressful (game stressful not "food or meds this month?" stressful).

[Gemina]

How anyone finds healing in this game stressful, outside of maybe ultimate, is beyond me.

Healing is going to be stressful anytime the healer feels he/she is not in control of the situation. This is going to happen in ALL content, and to just about any healer. Any experienced healer can and should vouch for this. The only content that I can't speak for IS savage and ultimate, and the impression that I get from these encounters is that the only healing healers do is to repair the damage that is unavoidable, so it is tightly knit and entirely scripted. Correct me if I am wrong.

You throw yourself in a relevant to somewhat relevant 24-man, or EX trial PUG full of randos, or sometimes even a NM trial/raid and you'll find that control is easily wrested from you. You quickly notice that you don't have enough ogcds to cover the amount of unscripted damage going on, and I grow a little tired this being neglected to be mentioned as if it isn't even a thing, because it is. Big time. Every time I come here talking about raising the healing requirement, I come out of a PUG that would have certainly failed if I didn't use GCDs to heal, or tunnel visioned on damage.

Here's the thing: Why does healing even have to be stressful? It should be fun and engaging. Here is the other thing though. For healers like me, healing is only fun and engaging when I have to do it reactively. It actually is ok for players to make mistakes. I make them all the time. And a major factor the devs have to account for are player derps, and there is only one role responsible for fixing them. Want to guess which one it is?

I'm not really seeing a lot of requests for the healing requirement to be raised though. What I see is constant babbling that our DPS kits are too boring and homogenized, which is why I point at the door that says "DPS apply here". DPSing as a healer being boring isn't some new phenomena that came with ShB. It has always been the role that has the fewest skills allocated towards causing damage, and a large portion of their healing kits go unused in content where the threat level is low. It seems few people acknowledge that putting in a great effort to avoid having to use GCDs on heals is a huge problem within itself, because we are deliberately forcing skills in the healing kit to be underutilized because there is never an optimal time to use them, or they are extremely situational.

Mr. Happy had a somewhat recent video (post 5.1) that goes into this a little bit. He is not a healer main by any means, but he echoed Yoshi's words brilliantly and talked briefly about why healers have such a basic DPS kit. I believe there is a natural aspect to the healing role that healers have to accept, and it's that the role foregoes and sometimes even sacrifices a great deal of offense for sustainability.

To make this short: As a healer main, I want to have fun healing; not DPSing. I will always be in favor of the devs focusing on the former, which is what I know they are trying to do and trying to get right.

[Mavrias]

Healing is going to be stressful anytime the healer feels he/she is not in control of the situation. This is going to happen in ALL content, and to just about any healer. Any experienced healer can and should vouch for this. The only content that I can't speak for IS savage and ultimate, and the impression that I get from these encounters is that the only healing healers do is to repair the damage that is unavoidable, so it is tightly knit and entirely scripted. Correct me if I am wrong.

You throw yourself in a relevant to somewhat relevant 24-man, or EX trial PUG full of randos, or sometimes even a NM trial/raid and you'll find that control is easily wrested from you. You quickly notice that you don't have enough ogcds to cover the amount of unscripted damage going on, and I grow a little tired this being neglected to be mentioned as if it isn't even a thing, because it is. Big time. Every time I come here talking about raising the healing requirement, I come out of a PUG that would have certainly failed if I didn't use GCDs to heal, or tunnel visioned on damage.

Here's the thing: Why does healing even have to be stressful? It should be fun and engaging. Here is the other thing though. For healers like me, healing is only fun and engaging when I have to do it reactively. It actually is ok for players to make mistakes. I make them all the time. And a major factor the devs have to account for are player derps, and there is only one role responsible for fixing them. Want to guess which one it is?

I'm not really seeing a lot of requests for the healing requirement to be raised though. What I see is constant babbling that our DPS kits are too boring and homogenized, which is why I point at the door that says "DPS apply here". DPSing as a healer being boring isn't some new phenomena that came with ShB. It has always been the role that has the fewest skills allocated towards causing damage, and a large portion of their healing kits go unused in content where the threat level is low. It [snip]

To make this short: As a healer main, I want to have fun healing; not DPSing. I will always be in favor of the devs focusing on the former, which is what I know they are trying to do and trying to get right.

Okay. You're wrong. And, I'm real sorry, but wanting to have an interesting dps rotation on a healer is valid despite the fact that you don't understand because you don't do content where it is expected and required.

You can say the devs are trying to increase the focus on healing all you like, but until they actually succeed in that goal, we're going to be dpsing. The least they could do is make it more than spamming 1 button and refreshing a dot every 30 seconds.

[Gemina]

Okay. You're wrong. And, I'm real sorry, but wanting to have an interesting dps rotation on a healer is valid despite the fact that you don't understand because you don't do content where it is expected and required.

You can say the devs are trying to increase the focus on healing all you like, but until they actually succeed in that goal, we're going to be dpsing. The least they could do is make it more than spamming 1 button and refreshing a dot every 30 seconds.

When was it ever interesting? And when did we ever have anything resembling a DPS rotation? If you want healers to have A DPS rotation in this game it just isn't going to happen, ever. That's not to say that they can't add a little more such as an additional DoT, or AoE/ST variants on a CD that provide an additional benefit like an MP restore, haste, healing magic up, or some other benefit. But to sit here and say that healer DPS was ever interesting is something you won't ever see me type on here. It was always boring, especially when it came to leveling and MSQ progression, and it's a big reason why I started playing DPS jobs, which actually focus on that part of combat.

Do you honestly think getting another skill or two to spam is going satiate your need for offense? Do you think another skill or two is going to resolve what is actually going on with healers right now? You can say I'm wrong all you like, but it is simply your opinion.

[HiroesX81]

So a small question but are the people asking for more dps skills aware as to why the devs shifted to this direction in the first place? Im just trying to find out if you are informed. Like, do you understand why healers are the way they are right now?