Valentione's Day Items

[reivaxe]

Gents got the 2B dress and I have seen like 2 male characters wear it. I have seen zero guys wear the bunny costume since ShB launched. Why exactly does a 1% minority need the same amount of glamour as normal people? It takes resources and we probably wouldn't get two versions of an outfit. We didn't get a masculine counterpart for the level 1 cosmetic 2B set, for example.

Yeah, I see both sides of this.

Like, I KNOW the reason I'd like for items to not be gender-restricted is because I play a female. I would LOVE to have the choice between a dress and that spiffy vest. But asking for that is laterally asking them to work twice as hard on this event gear by making 2 outfits that everyone can wear. And really, how many male characters are ever gonna go for the dress?

Then there's the issue with the 2B outfit cases. Like, people can go "YAY, progress!" all they want for getting a crossplay glam for guys but ... what about the vast majority of male players&characters who have no interest in their character wearing a 2B dress? I've legit seen people upon release of the raid talk about how they rolled on it expecting to get some cool male version of 2B glam only to find that they have a crossplay and ended up being very let down by it cause they would never wear that. Like with this event, if they just made a dress that both genders could wear then yay ... right? But what about people who don't want to dress their dude up in a dress? Nothing that appeals to them?


I feel like this is something better done on the side. Like, data-miners know that they have worked on unrestricting a number of currently restricted glams that they just haven't unlocked yet so perhaps they're having a side team work on it or it's just really low on their list.

[LolitaBansheeMeru]

I don't get the point in having three different colors when they all look exacly the same outside of dye and they are dyeable lol

[Zysets]

Then there's the issue with the 2B outfit cases. Like, people can go "YAY, progress!" all they want for getting a crossplay glam for guys but ... what about the vast majority of male players&characters who have no interest in their character wearing a 2B dress? I've legit seen people upon release of the raid talk about how they rolled on it expecting to get some cool male version of 2B glam only to find that they have a crossplay and ended up being very let down by it cause they would never wear that. Like with this event, if they just made a dress that both genders could wear then yay ... right? But what about people who don't want to dress their dude up in a dress? Nothing that appeals to them?

Honestly idk, the actual raid jobs function similarly as a cool variants of the outfits based on 9S for guys, and I feel like the coffer at the end will get equivalents for other Automata characters in the following parts of the raids. I mean the 2B dress is great but I really prefer having 9S' outfit as a girl, it doesn't really bug me cause lots of friends with both male and female characters are having a good time with it to this day, and I'm fairly certain I'll get what I want in the 2nd or 3rd parts of the raid. *shrugs*

I understand having this special drop be ultimately useless to you stinks but not everything will work for you, there's tons of rarely used pieces of glam items and gear that are also gender restricted.

[reivaxe]

Honestly idk, the actual raid jobs function similarly as a cool variants of the outfits based on 9S for guys, and I feel like the coffer at the end will get equivalents for other Automata characters in the following parts of the raids. I mean the 2B dress is great but I really prefer having 9S' outfit as a girl, it doesn't really bug me cause lots of friends with both male and female characters are having a good time with it to this day, and I'm fairly certain I'll get what I want in the 2nd or 3rd parts of the raid. *shrugs*

I understand having this special drop be ultimately useless to you stinks but not everything will work for you, there's tons of rarely used pieces of glam items and gear that are also gender restricted.

"the actual raid jobs function similarly as a cool variants of the outfits based on 9S for guys" this seems fairly disingenuous. Like, say there simply wasn't a coffer at the end ... sure, all the female gear is based on 2B but people would still be asking for the direct 1:1 2B glam. And though I also assumed that we would get 9S glam for the next part there's no guarantee of that. This whole raid is unprecedented (never have we even had dye-able 24 men raid gear or even a special glam coffer for example)
This coffer drop might just be a 1 time deal to please everyone who wanted 2B glam by putting it in the raid people will have to run more than any other (to better the chances of everyone getting it) with the next raid being a mount in place of the coffer and the one after that being a 2B hair style. OR they could make other iconic females glams like A2.

Anyway, my point was that this is a fairly uneven issue.
Gendered versions of gear is there to appease as many as possible. So I see unrestricting them as something that could and should be worked on in the background as opposed to doing twice the work at the time of release OR having a 2B glam problem with events where a clearly female glam leaves a large portion of dude characters thinking they got nothing.

[Limonia]

I like the dress and hat. I think the set looks better in darker colors where the contrast isn't that strong.

But the pieces may be a little hard to combine with others because the dark parts of it look like dark brown instead of black, and most other pieces tend to have actual black details. But we'll see when we get it.

I would also like it if they finally made it so that shoes aren't a part of the tights anymore. You can't really wear shoes like that with anything but the tights that belong to them...
If tights would cover the feet and the shoes were without the socks it would be so, so, so much better. You could finally combine tights/stockings with the princess/socialite/bunny shoes and so on.

[EliTheGunbreaker]

While I like the dress, I don't see my character wearing it( she would prefer a vest in this case definitely). So I support the idea of gender-unlocking both the dress and the vest. Players should have a choice of what to wear.

[Tsalmaveth]

'Well *I* don't see that many people using the *insert 2B or bunny suit sets here* so obviously they were not a big deal and so I don't see why the devs should waste their time on this whole gender-gear issue.'

Yes. You are the litmus test we should base this off of. You obviously can see how many players use parts like the 2B boots or enjoy parts of the Bunny Suit or just enjoy the aspect or idea of having more variety... OF COURSE. That's exactly how minority statistics work. Yup. (For the record... I have seen lots. But everyone has different experiences, there are a LOT of players. *jazzhands* )

And the whole 'the set you take automatically switches to the gender your character is' is also... terrible. They just need to step away from gender-locking sets of gear completely. Honestly. People need to stop making it their business what other people want their character model to wear, wear what you want your character model to, and get on with it. It isn't hard. 'Mind yo business' and let people enjoy things, first of all... and follow through with earlier interviews of being less restrictive of the gear. It isn't hard.

[REPROBEAN_CHILD]

You care about gender lock only because you don't like the dress otherwise you would never have advocate for it let's be real for a moment.

What exactly is wrong with the dress? I see all this backlach and vouching for the suit, yet the dress itself anywhere near as bad as people are saying that it is. I actually like the way it looks. I have a feminine highlander, so this will be perfect for her. It's very similar to the Thavnairain Wool dress in terms of length. So, I don't see why people are complaining, like it's the worst thing ever. Far from it.

Here's another question: Does this community have an issue with femininity? I don't mean slutty or revealing outfits, like DNC artifact gear. I mean dresses, like the Far Eastern Matriarch. I just see far more requests for making the suit unisex and anything feminine is "reinforcing gendered stereotypes." And so what if they don't make it unisex? The males get something cool for a change. It's so ironic that this community bemoaned that males don't get cool glams (which they do), and when something like this comes along, it must be made unisex.

I wish we got both and could wear both. I like the way masculine attire looks on my lady roe because cutsey dresses only ever work on smol and skinny races. Something femroe are not.

I was a Roe for over two years. True, glam is harder for them, but you can make a feminine Roe if you used the right pieces. I have two highlanders and one of them is quite feminine. People can make characters anyway they want. But I've noticed people tend to make butch Roes and Highlanders, because it's easier to make them that way. Highlander is no less feminine than a Viera

[Tsalmaveth]

You care about gender lock only because you don't like the dress otherwise you would never have advocate for it let's be real for a moment.

Har har, I have commented on and voiced my dislike of Gender-locked outfits FAR before this event. But niiiiiice try. It's far from the just this. You can't try to invalidate my opinion or comments just because of that, but nice TRY.

And no, this community doesn't have an 'issue with femininity'? People would just like there to be freedom in how they are allowed to express themselves in their game and their avatars of choice. That's their business. Yoshida has expressed a desire to open things up on that front and people hoped that would happen more. And people are allowed to say so. People are also allowed to have different tastes and opinions therein, including on this dress/suit combo. Not everyone likes it, some do. Not everyone loves the harlequin look, and the fact that the parts of it would be tricky to use in other glamours.

[EliTheGunbreaker]

As a person who wears the YoRHa Casting dress 90% of the time at the moment, no, I don't have an issue with femininity, or the dress for that matter. I just don't think my character would wear a dress like that. I feel like it's more of a playful/ outgoing/ heart-on-their-sleeve character's style, which is something my character isn't. This was never about femininity, this was about freedom of choice and ability to dress as whatever one likes, no matter the gender. And yes, I believe males should be allowed to wear the dress too. Besides, Yoshi promised us to remove the genderlocks on clothing, yet not only they make the YoRHa gear the way it is( aka clothing item changing depending on the gender), but now also this.