Mentors...please!

[RajNish]

It's the PLAYERS who decide what the standard is

There are a lot of players. Everyone has different player skills. And this is not such a difficult game to define any standards here. The only standard is comfortable and efficient work of the group.

If someone put their comfort at the forefront, not paying attention to the fact that the group for some reason can’t do this, this is not the standard, this is silliness.

And it’s all the more foolish to try to comply with some standard, when your tank dies every 2 minutes, healer uses only a physick, and DPS did not change their gear from level 60.

[SoranRigel]

By the way, to the question of banning DPS meters.
Judging by what is happening in the game (and what is happening in it is a real hazing), DPS meters is not the most pressing problem. However, no one has been fighting hazing for so many years. Question: why?

[RajNish]

By the way, to the question of banning DPS meters.
Judging by what is happening in the game (and what is happening in it is a real hazing), DPS meters is not the most pressing problem. However, no one has been fighting hazing for so many years. Question: why?

I think that we do not need a DPS-meter, but Arrogance-meter would be very useful. In fact, there is not much difference, which is the reason for neglect of other people, a high DPS or a crown icon.

[Barraind]

One would think in a run of Ala Mhigo or heck, Holminster Switch the tank in all Scavean gear would pull wall to wall. But it is not the standard,

It is absolutely the standard.

Also, your trust healer can keep you up through long pulls, but you'll die of boredom because the dps dont AE, because they're pants on head awful.

[Kenky]

It is absolutely the standard.

Also, your trust healer can keep you up through long pulls, but you'll die of boredom because the dps dont AE, because they're pants on head awful.

Not everyone adheers to "The Standard". y'know.

I could be in full augmented Scaevan and still pull small groups in Holminster, purely because I personally am not confident in my ability as a tank. Or I don't trust the healer to such a degree. Or I KNOW the healers class struggles in large pulls (AST)

Again, different people with different playstyles. So long as the dungeon gets done and you don't wipe, it shouldn't matter. You're still spending the same amount of time fighting and moving. Wall-to-wall isn't inherently quicker.

[Hash_Browns]

Wall-to-wall isn't inherently quicker.

Yes, it is, if people AOE.

[Ftail]

Yes, it is, if people AOE.

I think what Kenky is saying is Wall-to-Wall is normally quicker. But, if you end up wiping the wall to wall pull you'll end up wasting more time then just doing smaller pulls.

[RajNish]

It is absolutely the standard.

Also, your trust healer can keep you up through long pulls, but you'll die of boredom because the dps dont AE, because they're pants on head awful.

I like big pulls as a healer and as a tank, but I also like common sense. There is no point in making big pulls where other players obviously can't handle it. You will spend more time trying to fix this mistake, trying to do at least something with mobs. And, please, do not tell me: "So you do not know your work well enough". Situations and random groups can be completely different. And I won’t force the healer or the DPS or the tank to make large pulls if they are uncomfortable with it. Even if someone said that this is the "standard". Honestly, I was very sad to see how some "mentors" literally force newcomers to do what they consider standard, regardless of their capabilities or their comfort and I don’t understand how long someone should meet someone’s invented "standards", even though he/she came just to play and have a good time.

[Lastelli]

I like big pulls as a healer and as a tank, but I also like common sense. There is no point in making big pulls where other players obviously can't handle it.

You make it seem like big pulls are hard...

Tanks aoe aggro generation is comically op and only requires the tank to spam a 2 hit combo. The healer can keep the tank alive just doing cure 2 and most dps have a simple 2-3 step aoe combo.

Most people learn this by level 30. That's why wall-to-wall pulls are the standard. Honestly, I don't even remember the last time I was in a party where the tank didn't do big pulls.

At this point, you're just trying to find excuses for players that don't read tooltips.

[Lersayil]

You make it seem like big pulls are hard...

Tanks aoe aggro generation is comically op and only requires the tank to spam a 2 hit combo. The healer can keep the tank alive just doing cure 2 and most dps have a simple 2-3 step aoe combo.

Most people learn this by level 30. That's why wall-to-wall pulls are the standard. Honestly, I don't even remember the last time I was in a party where the tank didn't do big pulls.

At this point, you're just trying to find excuses for players that don't read tooltips.

You would think so, but I still see some potatoes in 60+ content (not to mention 80 dungeons) that refuse to use aoe skills, tank cd's or just spams physick non stop. Wall-to-wall is the standard, but there are times (more often than I'd prefer) when party members fail to live up to it.