Mentors...please!

[Barraind]

One would think in a run of Ala Mhigo or heck, Holminster Switch the tank in all Scavean gear would pull wall to wall. But it is not the standard,

It is absolutely the standard.

Also, your trust healer can keep you up through long pulls, but you'll die of boredom because the dps dont AE, because they're pants on head awful.

[Kenky]

It is absolutely the standard.

Also, your trust healer can keep you up through long pulls, but you'll die of boredom because the dps dont AE, because they're pants on head awful.

Not everyone adheers to "The Standard". y'know.

I could be in full augmented Scaevan and still pull small groups in Holminster, purely because I personally am not confident in my ability as a tank. Or I don't trust the healer to such a degree. Or I KNOW the healers class struggles in large pulls (AST)

Again, different people with different playstyles. So long as the dungeon gets done and you don't wipe, it shouldn't matter. You're still spending the same amount of time fighting and moving. Wall-to-wall isn't inherently quicker.

[Hash_Browns]

Wall-to-wall isn't inherently quicker.

Yes, it is, if people AOE.

[Ftail]

Yes, it is, if people AOE.

I think what Kenky is saying is Wall-to-Wall is normally quicker. But, if you end up wiping the wall to wall pull you'll end up wasting more time then just doing smaller pulls.

[RajNish]

It is absolutely the standard.

Also, your trust healer can keep you up through long pulls, but you'll die of boredom because the dps dont AE, because they're pants on head awful.

I like big pulls as a healer and as a tank, but I also like common sense. There is no point in making big pulls where other players obviously can't handle it. You will spend more time trying to fix this mistake, trying to do at least something with mobs. And, please, do not tell me: "So you do not know your work well enough". Situations and random groups can be completely different. And I won’t force the healer or the DPS or the tank to make large pulls if they are uncomfortable with it. Even if someone said that this is the "standard". Honestly, I was very sad to see how some "mentors" literally force newcomers to do what they consider standard, regardless of their capabilities or their comfort and I don’t understand how long someone should meet someone’s invented "standards", even though he/she came just to play and have a good time.

[Lastelli]

I like big pulls as a healer and as a tank, but I also like common sense. There is no point in making big pulls where other players obviously can't handle it.

You make it seem like big pulls are hard...

Tanks aoe aggro generation is comically op and only requires the tank to spam a 2 hit combo. The healer can keep the tank alive just doing cure 2 and most dps have a simple 2-3 step aoe combo.

Most people learn this by level 30. That's why wall-to-wall pulls are the standard. Honestly, I don't even remember the last time I was in a party where the tank didn't do big pulls.

At this point, you're just trying to find excuses for players that don't read tooltips.

[Lersayil]

You make it seem like big pulls are hard...

Tanks aoe aggro generation is comically op and only requires the tank to spam a 2 hit combo. The healer can keep the tank alive just doing cure 2 and most dps have a simple 2-3 step aoe combo.

Most people learn this by level 30. That's why wall-to-wall pulls are the standard. Honestly, I don't even remember the last time I was in a party where the tank didn't do big pulls.

At this point, you're just trying to find excuses for players that don't read tooltips.

You would think so, but I still see some potatoes in 60+ content (not to mention 80 dungeons) that refuse to use aoe skills, tank cd's or just spams physick non stop. Wall-to-wall is the standard, but there are times (more often than I'd prefer) when party members fail to live up to it.

[RajNish]

You make it seem like big pulls are hard...
At this point, you're just trying to find excuses for players that don't read tooltips.

No, I'm just telling about the difference in situations and the ability to adapt, instead of blindly following the "standard". Here is an example. Holminster Switch. This is not a difficult dungeon, mobs there are just fat, but in my group there were two first timers: a WHM and SAM. The WHM did well, but panicked. The SAM had problems with rotation. Dancer tried very hard to be effective, but his efforts were clearly not enough. These people were not so bad or lazy. But for many reasons, they could not do everything as a group of experienced players would. Okay, it's really not a problem. I made small pulls to not to stress people, especially WHM, because the damage of the group was very small. An extra five or ten minutes will not change anything.

[Lastelli]

No, I'm just telling about the difference in situations and the ability to adapt, instead of blindly following the "standard". Here is an example. Holminster Switch. This is not a difficult dungeon, mobs there are just fat, but in my group there were two first timers: a WHM and SAM. The WHM did well, but panicked. The SAM had problems with rotation. Dancer tried very hard to be effective, but his efforts were clearly not enough. These people were not so bad or lazy. But for many reasons, they could not do everything as a group of experienced players would. Okay, it's really not a problem. I made small pulls to not to stress people, especially WHM, because the damage of the group was very small. An extra five or ten minutes will not change anything.

The reason why wall-to-wall is the standard is that most players can blindly follow it and be successful. You're just describing a bad run. You said it yourself, the damage was very low. The dps were bad, period. No amount of sugarcoating will change that. DPS literally have one job: do their aoe rotation. That's easy. You're just adapting to a bad group, not to a different situation. But a standard is not determined by the lowest common denominator.

[RajNish]

The reason why wall-to-wall is the standard is that most players can blindly follow it and be successful. You're just describing a bad run. You said it yourself, the damage was very low. The dps were bad, period. No amount of sugarcoating will change that. DPS literally have one job: do their aoe rotation. That's easy. You're just adapting to a bad group, not to a different situation. But a standard is not determined by the lowest common denominator.

A group of first timers is not an equally bad group. Plus, you cannot make people act the way you want. For different reasons. After a few runs, these guys can be very good, they simply do not know the dungeon, and someone is able to improve their knowledge of the job. You can meet any group, and the only standard here is to analyze and proceed from what you have. In summary, even if I like big pulls and I think they are acceptable to myself, I will not force others to do as I like, this is the main thing I wanted to say.