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    Quote Originally Posted by RajNish View Post
    Up to 50 lvl, maybe. But on 70 the strange begins. Here is an example. Ala Mhigo. Tank mentor, in the group, there are two newcomers. And it is clear that they have no idea what to do. He takes a large pool, but the DPS is very low. Wipe. Here it would be nice to stop, explain tactics and go more carefully. But he again makes a large pool without saying a word.
    First of all, there is no ''tactics'' to normal big pulls in dungeons. Second of all, every mentor who remains silent has learned it the hard way, people go out of their way to yell back at you when you helped without being asked. So after it keeps happening, they learn to wait so people ask for help, since then they want it. Most times unwanted help gets bad mouthing from people. Sure they could have said ''If you need help ask'' but people need to learn how. to. ask. HELP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neoom View Post
    First of all, there is no ''tactics'' to normal big pulls in dungeons.
    If the DPS of the group is very low, as was the case, the pulls should be smaller. If your DPS do not cope, but you continue to pull from wall to wall, then something is wrong with your understanding of the situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RajNish View Post
    If the DPS of the group is very low, as was the case, the pulls should be smaller. If your DPS do not cope, but you continue to pull from wall to wall, then something is wrong with your understanding of the situation.
    How is that ''tactics'' tho? That doesn't equal bad dps, that means there is something gimmicky in the pull (a bear that hits like a truck, or some trash do ''tank busters'') that's tactics, not ''dps is low can't pull that big''. Of course you should realize to pull small if dps is low, but not every tank does that, some of them will pull big anyway, mentor or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neoom View Post
    How is that ''tactics'' tho? That doesn't equal bad dps, that means there is something gimmicky in the pull (a bear that hits like a truck, or some trash do ''tank busters'') that's tactics, not ''dps is low can't pull that big''. Of course you should realize to pull small if dps is low, but not every tank does that, some of them will pull big anyway, mentor or not.
    Ah, yes. Britannica will help us with this.

    The word tactics originates in the Greek taxis, meaning order, arrangement, or disposition—including the kind of disposition in which armed formations used to enter and fight battles. From this, the Greek historian Xenophon derived the term tactica, the art of drawing up soldiers in array. Likewise, the Tactica, an early 10th-century handbook said to have been written under the supervision of the Byzantine emperor Leo VI the Wise, dealt with formations as well as weapons and the ways of fighting with them.

    The term tactics fell into disuse during the European Middle Ages. It reappeared only toward the end of the 17th century, when “Tacticks” was used by the English encyclopaedist John Harris to mean “the Art of Disposing any Number of Men into a proposed form of Battle.” Further development took place toward the end of the 18th century. Until then, authors had considered fighting to be almost the sum total of war; now, however, it began to be regarded as merely one part of war. The art of fighting itself continued to carry the name tactics, whereas that of making the fight take place under the most favourable circumstances, as well as utilizing it after it had taken place, was given a new name: strategy.
    Knowing how many opponents you can take, how to position yourself, how many DPS you have and what do with it. I hope everything is clear to you now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RajNish View Post
    Knowing how many opponents you can take, how to position yourself, how many DPS you have and what do with it. I hope everything is clear to you now.
    Thank you for explaining this to such a dummy as myself
    Explain this to every tank main who pulls big, their only tactic they know is to pull from wall to wall. What explaining is there to do? You didn't state was the dps bad, just because they didn't do AoE or just generally low since gear or some other reasons. So were are missing information here, and it doesn't need a mentor to say ''use AoE skills to kill stuff''
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neoom View Post
    Thank you for explaining this to such a dummy as myself
    Explain this to every tank main who pulls big, their only tactic they know is to pull from wall to wall. What explaining is there to do? You didn't state was the dps bad, just because they didn't do AoE or just generally low since gear or some other reasons. So were are missing information here, and it doesn't need a mentor to say ''use AoE skills to kill stuff''
    You try to talk to me over and over again only for argue. It's maybe a cute, but I'm not interested, sorry. Try to make a run from door to gate (with gun) after the second boss in Ala Mhigo, with first timers, in a 310 IL, without stopping, collecting all the AOEs and mobs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RajNish View Post
    You try to talk to me over and over again only for argue. It's maybe a cute, but I'm not interested, sorry. Try to make a run from door to gate after the second boss in Ala Mhigo, with first timers, in a 310 IL, without stopping, collecting all the AOEs and mobs.
    item level 310 is already being overgeared for that place, so it should not be that hard.
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    Mobile refuses to work but at @RajNish.
    Dont worry I have no interest in you, nor do I do it to be cute. If you find it so, good for you? Wasnt my intention in the first place.
    Also yes I have done that place on 310 IL or even lower (mix of story and dungeom gear from SB). It's doable, well unless your tank misses cooldowns, but then it still might not end with a wipe just low MP and no recourses left. Not defending the act of the tank, but answering your question. But also fact might be I'm a veteran healer, might be struggle to a newer one who isnt so confident im their skills.
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