Mentors...please!

[AmeliaVerves]

Is it toxic? I think yes. He does not care about the group. All he wants is to quickly finish the dungeon and get out of there. Although, as a mentor, he could just slow down a bit, put marks at least. It seems to be nothing offensive, right? But his actions are completely selfish and he does not care what happens to the group. There is absolutely nothing to write a report on. It's his choice. But this does not combine with the concepts of "helpful" and "etiquette".

I do not think this behaviour is toxic. Being silent, is neither rude nor toxic nor abusive or anything.
If someone in the group had a question or wanted help, they could have asked as well. Unsolicited advice is most of the times answered with unfriendly comments or ignored completely, so I definetly understand why mentors/players just don't talk and rather have others figure out stuff on their own.
You can be helpful and have etiquette when being approached and asked something. No mentor should feel compelled to move out of their way and push their advice or help onto someone. Funny enough a lot of times ppl complain about 'too pushy' mentors that want them to play their way and are forcing 'their playstyle' onto others. lmao

In the end this is just a difference of opinion, but claiming someone who remains silent is toxic is... well, obv SE does not find this toxic so you cannot report it and I agree with this sentiment.



You don't know about these mentors that stay silent. Maybe they did give unsolicited advice before and got toxic sprouts that got angry about being 'told how to play' instead of being left so they could find out on their own? There are bad apples on both sides so I find it rather close-minded to claim it's only ever mentors who are at fault.

[RajNish]

You don't know about these mentors that stay silent. Maybe they did give unsolicited advice before and got toxic sprouts that got angry about being 'told how to play' instead of being left so they could find out on their own? There are bad apples on both sides so I find it rather close-minded to claim it's only ever mentors who are at fault.

I was not talking about silence. Pulls ahead of the tank, ignoring group capabilities, ignoring the mechanics, trolling, this is toxic. And, unfortunately, such actions are most noticeable if the player with the crown does it. This tank could be silent, but at least stop and think, the group can’t cope, make the pulls smaller.

[AmeliaVerves]

I was not talking about silence. Pulls ahead of the tank, ignoring group capabilities, ignoring the mechanics, trolling, this is toxic. And, unfortunately, such actions are most noticeable if the player with the crown does it. This tank could be silent, but at least stop and think, the group can’t cope, make the pulls smaller.

Ala Mhigo. Tank mentor, in the group, there are two newcomers. And it is clear that they have no idea what to do. He takes a large pool, but the DPS is very low. Wipe. Here it would be nice to stop, explain tactics and go more carefully. But he again makes a large pool without saying a word.

Is it toxic? I think yes.

You were talking about silence tho.
We can argue wether or not that mentor was a dumb dumb for pulling too much, but being not very smart and being toxic are two very different things.

If you want to make foolishness report-able, ok, well, idk, but you just assumed this mentor was toxic and had selfish intentions, but you don't know for sure. Still disagree to this being toxic tho.
Becoming a mentor has nothing to do with your skill tho. You don't need to be a good player to become a mentor and while I think this is a problem, idk how this problem could be solved any other way than making savage clears a requirement. But then again rAiDeRs ArE tOxIc AnD eLiTiSt.

[SoranRigel]

It seems to me that you did not quite correctly understand the post of RajNish.
It was not about whether silence is toxic, but whether selfish behavior is toxic, satisfying one’s desires and ambitions at the expense of others.