Mentors...please!

[RajNish]

I know what you mean about voluntary Isolation, but sadly its the only way to guarantee that you are getting a group of smart people who listen and help each other to learn the content properly without interference from people who think they know everything but they really know not much at all about anything and slow others down......

Right. You have very accurately said. I have nothing more to add.

Even tho I am not the most social person and usually stay for myself, I think this community in general is very polite and helpful. Most people at least try to help or guide you somewhere you might find help/information.

Up to 50 lvl, maybe. But on 70 the strange begins. Here is an example. Ala Mhigo. Tank mentor, in the group, there are two newcomers. And it is clear that they have no idea what to do. He takes a large pool, but the DPS is very low. Wipe. Here it would be nice to stop, explain tactics and go more carefully. But he again makes a large pool without saying a word.

Is it toxic? I think yes. He does not care about the group. All he wants is to quickly finish the dungeon and get out of there. Although, as a mentor, he could just slow down a bit, put marks at least. It seems to be nothing offensive, right? But his actions are completely selfish and he does not care what happens to the group. There is absolutely nothing to write a report on. It's his choice. But this does not combine with the concepts of "helpful" and "etiquette".

Help can be completely different. Not so long ago, I met a player who, it seemed to me, was trying to help and gave advice on how to increase DPS. But before the last boss pool, he said that none of the group deserved his recommendation. What for? This is not something that can encourage people to learn their job better.

The negative things you just mentioned are generally frowned upon by every sub-comm this game has, but you always find a few bad apples. Doesn't mean it's fair to generalize that much.

In fact, I judge the repeatability of such actions. This does not mean that I have not met good mentors and players. And, as I said above, I am very grateful to these people. But, unfortunately, there was more sad experience. Pulls ahead of the tank, ignoring the mechanics, trolling. Why then wear a crown? After all, they spoil not only their reputation.

[AmeliaVerves]

Is it toxic? I think yes. He does not care about the group. All he wants is to quickly finish the dungeon and get out of there. Although, as a mentor, he could just slow down a bit, put marks at least. It seems to be nothing offensive, right? But his actions are completely selfish and he does not care what happens to the group. There is absolutely nothing to write a report on. It's his choice. But this does not combine with the concepts of "helpful" and "etiquette".

I do not think this behaviour is toxic. Being silent, is neither rude nor toxic nor abusive or anything.
If someone in the group had a question or wanted help, they could have asked as well. Unsolicited advice is most of the times answered with unfriendly comments or ignored completely, so I definetly understand why mentors/players just don't talk and rather have others figure out stuff on their own.
You can be helpful and have etiquette when being approached and asked something. No mentor should feel compelled to move out of their way and push their advice or help onto someone. Funny enough a lot of times ppl complain about 'too pushy' mentors that want them to play their way and are forcing 'their playstyle' onto others. lmao

In the end this is just a difference of opinion, but claiming someone who remains silent is toxic is... well, obv SE does not find this toxic so you cannot report it and I agree with this sentiment.



You don't know about these mentors that stay silent. Maybe they did give unsolicited advice before and got toxic sprouts that got angry about being 'told how to play' instead of being left so they could find out on their own? There are bad apples on both sides so I find it rather close-minded to claim it's only ever mentors who are at fault.

[RajNish]

You don't know about these mentors that stay silent. Maybe they did give unsolicited advice before and got toxic sprouts that got angry about being 'told how to play' instead of being left so they could find out on their own? There are bad apples on both sides so I find it rather close-minded to claim it's only ever mentors who are at fault.

I was not talking about silence. Pulls ahead of the tank, ignoring group capabilities, ignoring the mechanics, trolling, this is toxic. And, unfortunately, such actions are most noticeable if the player with the crown does it. This tank could be silent, but at least stop and think, the group can’t cope, make the pulls smaller.

[AmeliaVerves]

I was not talking about silence. Pulls ahead of the tank, ignoring group capabilities, ignoring the mechanics, trolling, this is toxic. And, unfortunately, such actions are most noticeable if the player with the crown does it. This tank could be silent, but at least stop and think, the group can’t cope, make the pulls smaller.

Ala Mhigo. Tank mentor, in the group, there are two newcomers. And it is clear that they have no idea what to do. He takes a large pool, but the DPS is very low. Wipe. Here it would be nice to stop, explain tactics and go more carefully. But he again makes a large pool without saying a word.

Is it toxic? I think yes.

You were talking about silence tho.
We can argue wether or not that mentor was a dumb dumb for pulling too much, but being not very smart and being toxic are two very different things.

If you want to make foolishness report-able, ok, well, idk, but you just assumed this mentor was toxic and had selfish intentions, but you don't know for sure. Still disagree to this being toxic tho.
Becoming a mentor has nothing to do with your skill tho. You don't need to be a good player to become a mentor and while I think this is a problem, idk how this problem could be solved any other way than making savage clears a requirement. But then again rAiDeRs ArE tOxIc AnD eLiTiSt.

[SoranRigel]

It seems to me that you did not quite correctly understand the post of RajNish.
It was not about whether silence is toxic, but whether selfish behavior is toxic, satisfying one’s desires and ambitions at the expense of others.

[Neoom]

Up to 50 lvl, maybe. But on 70 the strange begins. Here is an example. Ala Mhigo. Tank mentor, in the group, there are two newcomers. And it is clear that they have no idea what to do. He takes a large pool, but the DPS is very low. Wipe. Here it would be nice to stop, explain tactics and go more carefully. But he again makes a large pool without saying a word.

First of all, there is no ''tactics'' to normal big pulls in dungeons. Second of all, every mentor who remains silent has learned it the hard way, people go out of their way to yell back at you when you helped without being asked. So after it keeps happening, they learn to wait so people ask for help, since then they want it. Most times unwanted help gets bad mouthing from people. Sure they could have said ''If you need help ask'' but people need to learn how. to. ask. HELP.

[RajNish]

First of all, there is no ''tactics'' to normal big pulls in dungeons.

If the DPS of the group is very low, as was the case, the pulls should be smaller. If your DPS do not cope, but you continue to pull from wall to wall, then something is wrong with your understanding of the situation.

[Neoom]

If the DPS of the group is very low, as was the case, the pulls should be smaller. If your DPS do not cope, but you continue to pull from wall to wall, then something is wrong with your understanding of the situation.

How is that ''tactics'' tho? That doesn't equal bad dps, that means there is something gimmicky in the pull (a bear that hits like a truck, or some trash do ''tank busters'') that's tactics, not ''dps is low can't pull that big''. Of course you should realize to pull small if dps is low, but not every tank does that, some of them will pull big anyway, mentor or not.

[RajNish]

How is that ''tactics'' tho? That doesn't equal bad dps, that means there is something gimmicky in the pull (a bear that hits like a truck, or some trash do ''tank busters'') that's tactics, not ''dps is low can't pull that big''. Of course you should realize to pull small if dps is low, but not every tank does that, some of them will pull big anyway, mentor or not.

Ah, yes. Britannica will help us with this.

The word tactics originates in the Greek taxis, meaning order, arrangement, or disposition—including the kind of disposition in which armed formations used to enter and fight battles. From this, the Greek historian Xenophon derived the term tactica, the art of drawing up soldiers in array. Likewise, the Tactica, an early 10th-century handbook said to have been written under the supervision of the Byzantine emperor Leo VI the Wise, dealt with formations as well as weapons and the ways of fighting with them.

The term tactics fell into disuse during the European Middle Ages. It reappeared only toward the end of the 17th century, when “Tacticks” was used by the English encyclopaedist John Harris to mean “the Art of Disposing any Number of Men into a proposed form of Battle.” Further development took place toward the end of the 18th century. Until then, authors had considered fighting to be almost the sum total of war; now, however, it began to be regarded as merely one part of war. The art of fighting itself continued to carry the name tactics, whereas that of making the fight take place under the most favourable circumstances, as well as utilizing it after it had taken place, was given a new name: strategy.

Knowing how many opponents you can take, how to position yourself, how many DPS you have and what do with it. I hope everything is clear to you now.

[Neoom]

Knowing how many opponents you can take, how to position yourself, how many DPS you have and what do with it. I hope everything is clear to you now.

Thank you for explaining this to such a dummy as myself
Explain this to every tank main who pulls big, their only tactic they know is to pull from wall to wall. What explaining is there to do? You didn't state was the dps bad, just because they didn't do AoE or just generally low since gear or some other reasons. So were are missing information here, and it doesn't need a mentor to say ''use AoE skills to kill stuff''