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    Quote Originally Posted by Packetdancer View Post
    Meanwhile, I enjoy discussing system design, so instead of diving into an argument, I'll provide a new facet of this topic to argue about!
    First of all, I thank you for trying to do something. You have a very interesting and, possibly, applicable project. However, as Lastelli noted above, not for this community. Most people are selfish and not worried about others.

    You can finish the dungeon without receiving a single recommendation, although you have done your job well. This is especially the case with expert roulette. After 5 minutes, player forgets with whom he played, if one of his co-players didn’t do something extraordinary.

    However, I think that if developers want to keep the mentor system, they should rework it:

    1. Mentors should have their own reputation system.
    2. The icon next to mentor's name should be changed.
    3. Mentoring roulette should include dungeons, trials and raids, but not extremes. There should be a separate extreme roulette instead, for players (not only for mentors), who are really interested in this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RajNish View Post
    However, I think that if developers want to keep the mentor system, they should rework it:

    1. Mentors should have their own reputation system.
    2. The icon next to mentor's name should be changed.
    3. Mentoring roulette should include dungeons, trials and raids, but not extremes. There should be a separate extreme roulette instead, for players (not only for mentors), who are really interested in this.
    1. Im interested in knowing what kind of reputation system you have in mind, would it replace the commendation system? And how would it work?
    2. As people have been saying for a while and I agree, for example watering can, since sprouts are tiny plants(?) and returners flowers, so it would make sense kind of? So icon change would be more than welcome.
    3. And again I agree, many people here have said they wont even unlock mentor roulette just for the EX-trials that don't belong there. Them having own roulette seems a fun idea though and could be something people would use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RajNish View Post
    First of all, I thank you for trying to do something. You have a very interesting and, possibly, applicable project. However, as Lastelli noted above, not for this community. Most people are selfish and not worried about others.

    You can finish the dungeon without receiving a single recommendation, although you have done your job well. This is especially the case with expert roulette. After 5 minutes, player forgets with whom he played, if one of his co-players didn’t do something extraordinary.

    However, I think that if developers want to keep the mentor system, they should rework it:

    1. Mentors should have their own reputation system.
    2. The icon next to mentor's name should be changed.
    3. Mentoring roulette should include dungeons, trials and raids, but not extremes. There should be a separate extreme roulette instead, for players (not only for mentors), who are really interested in this.
    Just some ideas:

    1. If the reputation system includes feedback from other players, I believe that's a dangerous and possibly abusable system. But if reputation depends on other factors directly linked to the mentor's ability...why not;
    2. Agreed, the crown was a poor choice;
    3. To be honest, if people are looking for help to clear ex trials, the best idea is to recruit via party finder, that is, ask for help. This community isn't so bad, many veteran players are willing to help and will join a "clear for friend" or other similar parties. The problem we have now with ex trials is that mentors might be willing to help...but sprouts sometimes don't want to be helped because they never agreed to the mentor system after all. I think this is were the hostility comes from.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lastelli View Post
    But if reputation depends on other factors directly linked to the mentor's ability...why not;
    The great difficulty in the evaluation criteria. And I honestly don’t know what parameters to measure their skills. Hypothetically, I understand what you mean, but I still have no idea how to put it into practice.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lastelli View Post
    The problem we have now with ex trials is that mentors might be willing to help...but sprouts sometimes don't want to be helped because they never agreed to the mentor system after all. I think this is were the hostility comes from.
    Therefore, I proposed to take extreme trials beyond mentor roulette. I think it will be easier for everyone. Mentors will not be forced to make EX trials when they do not want to. Beginners will have the opportunity to try this content with other players, without a crown icon.
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