Mentors...please!

[Neoom]

We can also start working from the point were good mentors are not punished in the progress. But to make mentor system work, the whole thing would need a massive rework and different requirements to work, since hitting 1500comms is easy and fast. So unless your only idea is to banish the whole system your idea isn't rational either. Obviously we need a way to get the bad mentors out, without punishing the good ones in the progress, since they are doing their job so it would be unfair.
And to be real best option is to remove the commendation requirement first, replace it with something that sees what knowledge you have of the fights/dungeons. Since helping is more important than the numbers of comms you have that can only be from the fact you healed decently, but didn't help talk or do anything beside that = doesn't prove anything on your mentor ability.
Hell even a quiz of some kind could work, maybe with right questions.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Maybe someone else will make a rational offer. It would be really nice to hear him. For example, somehow reorganize the "add to blacklist" system to avoid getting into roulettes with these people (I know a game in which this is well implemented - Star Wars: The Old Republic).
Or introduce a point system to evaluate mentors.
In short, to offer what would actually work.

But the hardest thing right now is that the gaming community is passive and taking toxicity as the norm. The toxicity of ordinary players was mentioned here. Yes, alas, it 's true. And something needs to be done about that, too. But for now we can start with mentors, as they, taking on this role, signed up to the rules of the game and have privileges from their status.

A grading system with points is a bad idea, that simply allows new players to either hold mentors hostage with the threat of bad ratings, or people will just misuse them, or it'll be like commendations and worthless.


As for the other, you could then have issues where groups of people blacklist players vindictively. This again, would be misused and cause issues. You could effectively lock someone out of duty finder with that.

Plus, people farmed commendations by using friends. What makes think they wouldn't do the same with a grading point system. Get friends to make new chars, queue up for obscure duty, get high ratings. Repeat.

[SoranRigel]

A grading system with points is a bad idea, that simply allows new players to either hold mentors hostage with the threat of bad ratings, or people will just misuse them, or it'll be like commendations and worthless.

Reasonable.

As for the other, you could then have issues where groups of people blacklist players vindictively. This again, would be misused and cause issues. You could effectively lock someone out of duty finder with that.

Um, you probably misunderstood me. "Blacklist" exists to ensure that personally you no longer get into dungeons with this person.
At the same time, we did not have any problems with the recruitment of the group.
It is a simple and effective method of preventing conflicts and creating a comfortable environment.

[Zazay]

So far, of the constructive proposals that have been made here, the most constructive (and easily realized) is to deprive mentors of all privileges and awards and to make help to newbies truly selfless.

Yeah, at this point I am convinced that this entire thread was created just for trolling purposes. Constructive comments have been made, yet the few here still believe that mentors are only out for achievements/mount --> my post about the low Astrope ownership was more or less ignored / not attempted to be debated. The few here still seem to believe that all mentors are bad, yet there are so many mentors out there (albeit with their crowns hidden) that are in fact helping newcomers and returners a LOT. There is no merit to become a mentor just for the sake of being an a*hat to others. And if there are mentors that DO, then that's an individual - the player's - problem. A system change won't change the behavior of players. People will be people. Good or bad. Helpful or spiteful. Either deal with it or become a mentor yourself and be the "exemplar for player etiquette". You'll notice soon enough that it isn't as easy like all those "mentor-bashers" seem to claim, especially on Chaos DC where many languages and cultures are clashing together which, by the way, many people have already pointed out here.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Reasonable.


Um, you probably misunderstood me. "Blacklist" exists to ensure that personally you no longer get into dungeons with this person.
At the same time, we did not have any problems with the recruitment of the group.
It is a simple and effective method of preventing conflicts and creating a comfortable environment.

No, what I'm saying, is you could have an instance where a player angers someone, and if that someone has a big enough group of frienda/is a streamer, their followers could all add this one person to their blacklist. If that's a big enough chunk of people on a single datacenter, it could make said players queues much longer, as not only can the system not match said player into a party with people who blacklisted them, but it only takes 1 person per party to lock them out. If there are a bunch of people queueing with them on their list, and they all get matched into different groups, he can't match into any of them.

The player didn't even have to be toxic in this instance. It could have just been a slight disagreement.


And you may say "well that can't happen, people aren't that vindictive" or "the system wouldn't be able to do that" but that's exactly what would happen. See people trying to queue on the JP datacenter with only English selected and not understanding why they are waiting multiple hours for story dungeon queues to pop.

[Neoom]

We aren't talking about the good mentors, proudly wearing their crown to notify anyone they are here to help but the bad ones.

But as I said before even when talking about the bad ones, we cant make a decision that could possibly punish the good ones, so yes we do have to talk about good ones in the mind of what to change in the system.

[Ovenmitts]

Nobody here believes mentors suddenly become monster the moment they put their crown on and should be hunted and burned.

We aren't talking about the good mentors, proudly wearing their crown to notify anyone they are here to help but the bad ones.

I mean it's not hard to see that...

So basically what you're saying here is that you acknowledge that not all mentors are bad, yet despite there only being some bad apples, you want to deprive all mentors not only of their icon but also of any reward they may or may not achieve simply to teach the few a lesson in morality?

Honestly, this topic is full of a bunch of semi-intellectuals using big words in an attempt to make their vain arguments sound better than the numerous counterarguments. Why would you punish everyone over a few? Or do you just say that because whenever you see a mentor you assume the worst? Mentors at this point are like the boogeyman. They not only ate your homework but also kicked your dog and insulted your maternal parental figure just because they wear a crown and because they can.

The combat mentor roulette is made so that it can fill queues for unpopular content. Yes, SE prompts you with a warning that you need to adhere to some common sense rules like treat others as you would be treated, but mentors are still people. You can't insult a customer service representative just because they can't fight back. Are they held to a higher standard? I would think so since they agreed to the rules, but everyone has their bad days both mentors and sprouts alike. If anyone hurls abusive language, then by all means report them. It's very simple. Report those that are giving mentors a bad name and they will be punished. If they're not punished? Maybe you got triggered over a situation that wasn't as bad as you thought it was and should get over it.

[SoranRigel]

No, what I'm saying, is you could have an instance where a player angers someone, and if that someone has a big enough group of frienda/is a streamer, their followers could all add this one person to their blacklist. If that's a big enough chunk of people on a single datacenter, it could make said players queues much longer, as not only can the system not match said player into a party with people who blacklisted them, but it only takes 1 person per party to lock them out. If there are a bunch of people queueing with them on their list, and they all get matched into different groups, he can't match into any of them.

If I get you right, no, it doesn't work.
1. Adding a player to the blacklist by you personally will not affect his connection to your current group.
2. Given the number of players on global servers, this situation is just impossible. To somehow influence a player 's search for a group, thousands and thousands of people need to add his to the blacklist. Honestly, I 'm not sure Satan is playing the FFXIV.

[Tamhas]

As for the other, you could then have issues where groups of people blacklist players vindictively. This again, would be misused and cause issues. You could effectively lock someone out of duty finder with that.

I don`t quite understand what the problem is? "Add to the blacklist" does not mark an ordinary player or mentor with some bad symbol. It 's not a black mark, is it? This feature simply allows you not to meet (anywhere) the person or people who are rude, toxic, don 't read chat or even just unpleasant. What happens if two sides that didn 't like each other don 't meet? The conflict will not happen. As the Soran Rigel put it, this system has been really working in Star Wars: The Old Republic for many years.

[SoranRigel]

@Sesera, you have now moved to the category of "bad" in this thread, too. Welcome to the team.