Mentors...please!

[Alaeacus]

...There are several thousand people who have unlocked mentor, both who do and don't wear the crown. You hear of what? DOZENS of mentors who are problematic? Um, ok, yeah it's a MAJOR problem. /s

This thread is not showing an illustration, it's showing an illusion, a few loud mouths who complain loudly because they met one bad mentor who left an impression and their friends told them or they read that all mentors are bad, giving a magnifying effect...

^ Exactly this. Adding on to your point: Those few loudmouth people complaining are trying to push massive regulation change (more constraints) on all Mentors because of the negative actions of a small percentage of bad actors. In fact, people stopped wearing the crown because overall public image of Mentors was ruined, also by that small percentage of bad actors.

Almost NOBODY describes FF14 community as being full of toxic people. It's usually the contrary. Almost everyone in the game is patient and helps their fellow players. Some wear crowns and some don't. This "Bad Mentor" crap is not a widespread or major problem, otherwise FF14 would not have the aforementioned good reputation.

[Zazay]

It is also quite contradictory to say that mentors are only out for the mount. If it really would be like that, then why do only around 1.3% active public characters have Astrope? (source: ffxivcollect) Given the many complaints about bad mentors and that they only do the roulette for the achievements, that percentage must be higher. There are tons of mentors out there, the majority even with deactivated crown, yet seeing Astrope is incredibly rare. I won't deny that people might rush for mentor status because of the NN, as it is considered as a general chat by many. I also won't debate that many probably like the name decoration. But saying mentors are only out for the achievements & loot must be not correct, otherwise I would see all the mentors out there riding that mount. Heck, I've seen even more TEA weapons around, and the savage community is considered 'small'.

[RajNish]

Honestly, the mentors I've encountered have been some of the meanest players in the game.

The same situation. Only a few were really good. But, rather, this is an exception that confirms the pattern. Actually, this discussion confirms it too.

Saddle up and do your own homework before you just throw everything at the mentor system whole-sale.

Why so aggressive? Yes, bad players happen. They probably also have bad days. If we talk about homework, it will be useful to you.

Almost NOBODY describes FF14 community as being full of toxic people. It's usually the contrary.

You can easily find and read "Community for fans of Square Enix's popular MMORPG "Final Fantasy XIV Online" on Reddit. Thread "Why does no one police mentors?" for example, almost 600 comments from "happy" and "thankful" people, 2 years ago.

[Alaeacus]

You can easily find and read "Community for fans of Square Enix's popular MMORPG "Final Fantasy XIV Online" on Reddit. Thread "Why does no one police mentors?" for example, almost 600 comments from "happy" and "thankful" people, 2 years ago.

1. 600 comments =/= 600 people.

2. Are you trying to say all 600 comments are from people agreeing there is a problem with Mentors? By that logic, you can look at thread we are in right now and say "There are 10 pages worth of "happy" and "thankful" people" Flawed rationale.

3. LOL! The top two comments of that thread you reference "Why does no one police mentors?", with over 150 upvotes each, basically tell the OP that "this is the way it is" and report those players at the Support Desk. You actually have to scroll for a long time to find any post actually agreeing that SE needs to do something extra to police Mentors. It's mostly just people anecdotally complaining. So...bad example doesn't help your argument much.

[MPK]

So can someone remind the SPROUTS to not respond with 'you don't pay my sub' to NOT IGNORE MENTORS WHEN TELLING THEM MECHANICS?

You all like to dunk on Mentors, bad mouth them, and whine... but do you think that mentors might be a tad fed up with the lazy and snide attitudes that have been running rampant from the other side of the fence as well? That a LOT of mentors have just stopped caring as a result of the rash of Sprouts that use jump potions and don't even ATTEMPT to learn their classes or expect the carry or want a 'how to' in the middle of a dungeon/mid-ex fight?

Please. This goes both ways and I'm tired of the constant 'Mentors are bad, WAAAAAAAH!' Saddle up and do your own homework before you just throw everything at the mentor system whole-sale.

But mentors most of the time are bad and sprouts that level skip are alts that actually raid.

[Tsalmaveth]

Why so aggressive? Yes, bad players happen. They probably also have bad days. If we talk about homework, it will be useful to you.

Maybe because of this entire thread, and the many before, repeatedly thrashing mentors without possibly looking at the sprouts who have bad attitudes is enough to set my ire on point. Y'all need to stop.

And no, not all skip-potion users are 'raiders on alts'... people throwing out the 'you don't pay my sub' or whine about being told how to play by mentors just wanting to actually get the ex-duty they got thrown into in the roulette done are vets. A lot of this is just passing the buck and throwing blame without looking in the mirror. I'm being a tad bit curt and short, sure... but it's COMPLETELY warranted because this is one-sided finger-pointing. 'Only mentors having bad days can be bad' is what is being said... if a sprout has a bad day and cops attitude... oh well. The mentors have to suck it up and smile, right? That's what it means to wear the crown. Just take it, right? RIGHT?

NAAAAAAAH. I'm not up with that. Mentors can say enough and back out of a duty. No, they shouldn't be abusive and if you see one being ABUSIVE... report them. But they are not there to be forced into things, either. You have a report system for ANY player that behaves over the line, but ANY player has the right to leave an instance, duty, etc that they do not want to be in or that is undesirable for them past a point. They are punished for it with a lockout. That's the punishment the devs have decided is 'right' for doing so. That's it. End of story. There isn't any need to do more than that.

[SoranRigel]

3. LOL! The top two comments of that thread you reference "Why does no one police mentors?", with over 150 upvotes each, basically tell the OP that "this is the way it is" and report those players at the Support Desk. You actually have to scroll for a long time to find any post actually agreeing that SE needs to do something extra to police Mentors. It's mostly just people anecdotally complaining. So...bad example doesn't help your argument much.

That's it. End of story. There isn't any need to do more than that.

This example is just as good as this discussion. Here was rudeness, depreciation, ridicule, transitions to the individual.
I suspect that the authors of these wonderful comments are just fans of pixel crowns, who are well aware of how you can insult people so as not to get banned.

[Neoom]

This example is just as good as this discussion. Here was rudeness, depreciation, ridicule, transitions to the individual.
I suspect that the authors of these wonderful comments are just fans of pixel crowns, who are well aware of how you can insult people so as not to get banned.

A language barrier as an excuse for toxic behavior and rule-breaking? Hmm... I 'm afraid that 's a weak argument.

And thats on taking things out of context

[SoranRigel]

And thats on taking things out of context

A new attempt to justify rudeness? I 'm sorry, but no. Bad attempt.

[Neoom]

You did the same to me, you took my answer out of context so I did the same to you