Mentors...please!

[Alaeacus]

...There are several thousand people who have unlocked mentor, both who do and don't wear the crown. You hear of what? DOZENS of mentors who are problematic? Um, ok, yeah it's a MAJOR problem. /s

This thread is not showing an illustration, it's showing an illusion, a few loud mouths who complain loudly because they met one bad mentor who left an impression and their friends told them or they read that all mentors are bad, giving a magnifying effect...

^ Exactly this. Adding on to your point: Those few loudmouth people complaining are trying to push massive regulation change (more constraints) on all Mentors because of the negative actions of a small percentage of bad actors. In fact, people stopped wearing the crown because overall public image of Mentors was ruined, also by that small percentage of bad actors.

Almost NOBODY describes FF14 community as being full of toxic people. It's usually the contrary. Almost everyone in the game is patient and helps their fellow players. Some wear crowns and some don't. This "Bad Mentor" crap is not a widespread or major problem, otherwise FF14 would not have the aforementioned good reputation.

[RajNish]

Honestly, the mentors I've encountered have been some of the meanest players in the game.

The same situation. Only a few were really good. But, rather, this is an exception that confirms the pattern. Actually, this discussion confirms it too.

Saddle up and do your own homework before you just throw everything at the mentor system whole-sale.

Why so aggressive? Yes, bad players happen. They probably also have bad days. If we talk about homework, it will be useful to you.

Almost NOBODY describes FF14 community as being full of toxic people. It's usually the contrary.

You can easily find and read "Community for fans of Square Enix's popular MMORPG "Final Fantasy XIV Online" on Reddit. Thread "Why does no one police mentors?" for example, almost 600 comments from "happy" and "thankful" people, 2 years ago.

[Alaeacus]

You can easily find and read "Community for fans of Square Enix's popular MMORPG "Final Fantasy XIV Online" on Reddit. Thread "Why does no one police mentors?" for example, almost 600 comments from "happy" and "thankful" people, 2 years ago.

1. 600 comments =/= 600 people.

2. Are you trying to say all 600 comments are from people agreeing there is a problem with Mentors? By that logic, you can look at thread we are in right now and say "There are 10 pages worth of "happy" and "thankful" people" Flawed rationale.

3. LOL! The top two comments of that thread you reference "Why does no one police mentors?", with over 150 upvotes each, basically tell the OP that "this is the way it is" and report those players at the Support Desk. You actually have to scroll for a long time to find any post actually agreeing that SE needs to do something extra to police Mentors. It's mostly just people anecdotally complaining. So...bad example doesn't help your argument much.

[Tsalmaveth]

Why so aggressive? Yes, bad players happen. They probably also have bad days. If we talk about homework, it will be useful to you.

Maybe because of this entire thread, and the many before, repeatedly thrashing mentors without possibly looking at the sprouts who have bad attitudes is enough to set my ire on point. Y'all need to stop.

And no, not all skip-potion users are 'raiders on alts'... people throwing out the 'you don't pay my sub' or whine about being told how to play by mentors just wanting to actually get the ex-duty they got thrown into in the roulette done are vets. A lot of this is just passing the buck and throwing blame without looking in the mirror. I'm being a tad bit curt and short, sure... but it's COMPLETELY warranted because this is one-sided finger-pointing. 'Only mentors having bad days can be bad' is what is being said... if a sprout has a bad day and cops attitude... oh well. The mentors have to suck it up and smile, right? That's what it means to wear the crown. Just take it, right? RIGHT?

NAAAAAAAH. I'm not up with that. Mentors can say enough and back out of a duty. No, they shouldn't be abusive and if you see one being ABUSIVE... report them. But they are not there to be forced into things, either. You have a report system for ANY player that behaves over the line, but ANY player has the right to leave an instance, duty, etc that they do not want to be in or that is undesirable for them past a point. They are punished for it with a lockout. That's the punishment the devs have decided is 'right' for doing so. That's it. End of story. There isn't any need to do more than that.