Mentors...please!

[SoranRigel]

A language barrier as an excuse for toxic behavior and rule-breaking? Hmm... I 'm afraid that 's a weak argument.

[Neoom]

A language barrier as an excuse for toxic behavior and rule-breaking? Hmm... I 'm afraid that 's a weak argument.

In where did I state it was against toxic behavior hmm? You cant read? I was just giving on example how not everyone listens to advice's, but not in ANY point did I say it is okay to be toxic in exchange. It had no link to that, since most times, if you see people dont speak English/same language as you its hard to talk to each other in anyway, even in toxic way (that I do not say is okay). Usually people either stay quiet intead of stating to yell at others for not undertanding since, if you have ever talked to someone in language they do not understand/know its like talking to a wall (not in offensive way) since you cant get a response from them, and you cant understand each other. But as I have seen you in this threat, you want to make bad out of every sentence even if its not bad in any way *shrug*

[SoranRigel]

In where did I state it was against toxic behavior hmm? You cant read?

So if the mentor cant help because of language barrier, are they a bad mentor?

The subject of our conversation is not that mentors cannot help by the fault (real or imaginary) of players, but that the mentoring system provokes mentors to take game achievements and behave toxic, which is fundamentally contrary to the rules of the game.
Please read previous messages in the discussion.

[Thamorian]

The subject of our conversation is not that mentors cannot help by the fault (real or imaginary) of players, but that the mentoring system provokes mentors to take game achievements and behave toxic, which is fundamentally contrary to the rules of the game.
Please read previous messages in the discussion.

No it doesn't. Again. No. It. Does. Not. That is flat out wrong. Correlation does not equal causation. If you want to try to prove that there being mentor achievements causes toxic mentors, you're gonna need to show some evidence. Sorry, your anecdotal evidence does not count. You are the one making the claim, you have to provide the evidence for it.

For a lot of people complaining saying mentor system should be abolished, they think mentors who leave extreme trials without a word or who let sprouts know that if they want to clear an EX trial, it's a lot easier and far faster to put up a party finder and they can do it unsynced is toxic? Perfectly valid and viable suggestion since most just want to clear and not do it synced specifically. I've seen as presented as evidence over and over and over again in these types of threads. Leaving a duty and taking a 30 minute penalty because you know the fight is just gonna be a huge waste of time when it is synced with a random party and only an hour to clear and making no progress or getting a clear is not toxic behavior.

[RajNish]

For a lot of people complaining saying mentor system should be abolished, they think mentors who leave extreme trials without a word or who let sprouts know that if they want to clear an EX trial, it's a lot easier and far faster to put up a party finder and they can do it unsynced is toxic?

I completed Garuda Ex synced on the 6th day of my game. There was a mentor in the group. He was a great guy. After the first wipe, he briefly told what to do. The second time we felt the mechanics. The third time, he said: "Great! We can do it!" And we did.

This guy was a good mentor. He correctly directed people and got the result. First, he was friendly. Second, he saw that we were completely new, but that did not stop him. He helped us, put the marks and explained the features of the phases.

As you can see, I have someone to compare with people who leave Titania normal after the first wipe or initiate a vote to abandon Labyrinth.

Ok, in your own words, what should a mentor be?

This is a player who likes to help beginners. He is experienced and polite, can explain mechanics if necessary, without insults, trolling, shaming or other aggressive actions.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

I completed Garuda Ex synced on the 6th day of my game. There was a mentor in the group. He was a great guy. After the first wipe, he briefly told what to do. The second time we felt the mechanics. The third time, he said: "Great! We can do it!" And we did.

This guy was a good mentor. He correctly directed people and got the result. First, he was friendly. Second, he saw that we were completely new, but that did not stop him. He helped us, put the marks and explained the features of the phases.

As you can see, I have someone to compare with people who leave Titania normal after the first wipe or initiate a vote to abandon Labyrinth.



This is a player who likes to help beginners. He is experienced and polite, can explain mechanics if necessary, without insults, trolling, shaming or other aggressive actions.

So.. How does ex content fall into helping beginners? That is not beginner content.

Also, Garuda ex is the easiest of the ex fights now, since you can basically just burn her even synced.

And for a mentor to be any of those things, the people they are teaching have to listen. Which seems to be a rare occurrence these days. Like a super creeper.

[RajNish]

So.. How does ex content fall into helping beginners? That is not beginner content.

Also, Garuda ex is the easiest of the ex fights now, since you can basically just burn her even synced.

Like I said, I was a newbie, like most of this group. This is more complex ARR content that challenges the player. No one can prohibit players from doing this content at the current level. Or force them do it unsynced. Honestly, ARR Ex's still good enough if you make them synchronized. Try to do all of them with minimal allowable item level.

And for a mentor to be any of those things, the people they are teaching have to listen. Which seems to be a rare occurrence these days. Like a super creeper.

I will ask you the same question that I have seen here many times. Why do you remember only bad players and don’t remember those who listened and successfully played with you? Because I saw a lot of accusations here that we blame the mentors, but blaming new players, apparently, are the norm. Judging by this, I see two groups of unhappy people who suffer from each other. Are the crown and mount worth such suffering?