Mentors...please!

[ReiMakoto]

Whilst I certainly understand that the mentor system needs rework, mentors atm are thrown into a situation when they get extremes where:

A) People don't listen
B) People don't understand extreme content requires certain knowledge that is not communicated
C) People rejecting advice
and Most importantly D) Being put into a group full of people who do not speak the same language as you. Being on a european data center, if I go into a mentor roullete and am met with a bunch of F and D players who clearly cannot understand english despite having it ticked, I'm gonna eat the penalty at that point if there's new people in the party, no one can reasonably be expected to mentor in that scenario, and honestly, its the most common situation myself and other people on EU I speak to seem to find themself in.

All the above leaves a sour taste in anyones mouth, and despite people saying "well its your job to mentor them", you cannot reasonably expect people to want to stay in those conditions. In the ideal world you would get parties full of sprouts eager to learn, in reality you get a confused mess.

[Rairai]

Then don't ready up for the mentor roulette. If you are so worried about getting things like that just don't do it. That's the whole point, you shouldn't be doing it if you are so frightened to get extremes. There are those who want to learn and I see it very often, more often than not.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Then don't ready up for the mentor roulette. If you are so worried about getting things like that just don't do it. That's the whole point, you shouldn't be doing it if you are so frightened to get extremes. There are those who want to learn and I see it very often, more often than not.

No, most people are queueing up just because they got the quest and that's what they did with every other quest that had a duty.

You are definitely wrong in thinking people who are new know what the extreme fights are. Some will be willing to listen and learn, but the majority of time, people don't even read that chat, and if they do, they don't listen to mechanic advice.


Also, to an early point in your first post, you cannot do mentor roulette for exp. You have to be lvl 80 with a certain ilvl.

[Rairai]

It doesn't matter if they know what they are or not. You can go in and tell them, and what this shows is that most mentors can't wait 15 mins to see if they can progress or not. If you can't be patient for that long and they (sprouts) are still trying with you and are willing to learn. If they aren't they will leave and you can follow suit. The whole point of this post is for the mentors who abuse it.

[ReiMakoto]

Then don't ready up for the mentor roulette. If you are so worried about getting things like that just don't do it. That's the whole point, you shouldn't be doing it if you are so frightened to get extremes. There are those who want to learn and I see it very often, more often than not.

Im not frieghtened to get extremes, you missed the point completely of my post, if I come into an extreme and theres even one person who doesn't speak the same language (which is very common on EU) the chance of clearing goes down so low that you needed bother unless there happenes to be someone else who could try and translate. I sign up to mentor roullete to help people, but if people don't want to learn, or cannot communicate which seems to be the majority of my mentor roulletes of late, then the problem is with them and the system, not the mentors themselves, as I said, I'm in favour of an overhaul of the mentoring system, but putting it all on the mentors just because you have anecdotes on people being very willing to learn is not doing any favours.

[Rairai]

You missed the whole point in, that's what I am pushing for in this. Regardless of how it is implemented.

[ReiMakoto]

You missed the whole point in, that's what I am pushing for in this. Regardless of how it is implemented.

There's a reply function on the forum, use it or it will be hard to track who you are responding to. Regardless while the system is how it is, there is a penalty for leaving content without an abandon, and if people opt to take that penalty and leave, you are not entitled to that persons time, you can certainly argue that you should be and people should get their mentor status revoked for doing it, but that leaves the system open to abuse from the other end.

[Rairai]

There's a reply function on the forum, use it or it will be hard to track who you are responding to. Regardless while the system is how it is, there is a penalty for leaving content without an abandon, and if people opt to take that penalty and leave, you are not entitled to that persons time, you can certainly argue that you should be and people should get their mentor status revoked for doing it, but that leaves the system open to abuse from the other end.

Sorry about that. And you are right you are not entitled to their time. And they are not entitled to get a mentor who would abuse them either. Which is the whole point of this post.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Sorry about that. And you are right you are not entitled to their time. And they are not entitled to get a mentor who would abuse them either. Which is the whole point of this post.

I'd like to point out that a person leaving a duty, any duty, is not abuse.

Are sprouts who don't listen and ignore the mentor abusing them? It can't be a one way thing here. It's either both or neither.

[NessaWyvern]

Sorry about that. And you are right you are not entitled to their time. And they are not entitled to get a mentor who would abuse them either. Which is the whole point of this post.

If a mentor abuses you, just report them.
That being said, while annoying, someone leaving early isn't abuse.