Mentors...please!

[Rairai]

Also not the point of the conversation, I am happy people like to do unsynched content. The point is not to go into a group full of sprouts and say "Just go do it unsynched." They can word it differently and say " Maybe try it unsynched to try and learn the mechanics that way. If it is your playstyle don't get mad at sprouts who don't wanna do it that way and either work with them or leave.

[Arazehl]

It's not mentors or sprouts, it's the way the system runs in it's current state. Little incentive with little reward. No strict requirements leads to very little effort. No real moderation of the system from the start, leads to poor performance for both mentor and sprouts. Nothing to weed out the "I could care less" mentors, or the sprouts that are just there to cause havoc and hardship for mentors. No real overseer of what goes on within the program. It's all broken and needed to be fixed from the day it was introduced.

[Crushnight]

It doesn't matter if they know what they are or not. You can go in and tell them, and what this shows is that most mentors can't wait 15 mins to see if they can progress or not. If you can't be patient for that long and they (sprouts) are still trying with you and are willing to learn. If they aren't they will leave and you can follow suit. The whole point of this post is for the mentors who abuse it.

Have you ever been in a mentor roulette with 7 people who do not(or refused to) understand English(or 1 universal language in the party) becomes a right nightmare to teach them when you cannot even communicate the mechanics, at that point the mentor IS DOING THEM A FAVOR and taking that penalty, the system is heavily flawed but it is not always the mentors who are at fault sometimes it can straight up be nothing they can do to actually help.

[Iscah]

I've said before, I wish there was an option for a mentor roulette that didn't include EX trials, with a lower prize or longer route to it.

I'm still very much the newbie in EX trials - and there would be the language gap as well, since I don't speak Japanese, the majority language for this data centre.

Of course, you'd probably still get people who abuse the higher roulette and fish for easy duties, but personally I don't want to be put in the situation where I have to drop out because I don't know and can't mentor the fight. So that means not being able to do mentor roulette at all.

[Rairai]

I've said before, I wish there was an option for a mentor roulette that didn't include EX trials, with a lower prize or longer route to it.

I'm still very much the newbie in EX trials - and there would be the language gap as well, since I don't speak Japanese, the majority language for this data centre.

This is a great compromise thank you! Keep pushing this thread we want them to listen!

[Bearded]

This is the problem we have when roulettes are forced upon players to progress MSQ (they should be removed from the MSQ in my opinion). Make dungeons and trials "optional" content that sets it apart from the "casual". SE needs to have some form of intro for the various levels of this content - maybe an idea for them to replace guildheists with something meaningful there.

POTD and similar does not help this situation - people learn very, very bad habits there that simply do not translate into real dungeon and trial content.

As for the Mentor system - yes it is by and large broken. That is not the fault of the mentors though - its the fault of SE for not bothering to expand upon Hall of the Novice when they should have. It should have been the go to place for intros to new levels of content - it should have been forced and not optional.

[lolicon09]

This is the problem we have when roulettes are forced upon players to progress MSQ (they should be removed from the MSQ in my opinion). Make dungeons and trials "optional" content that sets it apart from the "casual". SE needs to have some form of intro for the various levels of this content - maybe an idea for them to replace guildheists with something meaningful there.

POTD and similar does not help this situation - people learn very, very bad habits there that simply do not translate into real dungeon and trial content.

As for the Mentor system - yes it is by and large broken. That is not the fault of the mentors though - its the fault of SE for not bothering to expand upon Hall of the Novice when they should have. It should have been the go to place for intros to new levels of content - it should have been forced and not optional.

Most dungeons, and all normal trials, aren't hard at all. The problem are the Extreme Trials; Those ask more from players than any normal Duty, and require way more explanations about all the things that happen during the fight. Those are the only things that should be removed from Mentor roulette, since it's 100% optional content that doesn't affect the MSQ progress.



About PotD, i think it should just give a small amount of XP, or give nothing at all. For some (stupid) reason, all players act like DPS there, no matter their role

[LittleImp]

The only DF extreme I've ever run into issues with consistently is Ramuh because of the tanking requirements. It's pretty rare to see a party fail to clear anything else since Echo is so ridiculous, and the total delight of the newbies when it's killed makes it super worth it.

Most of the time parties end up having to disband not because of the content, but because of the utterly useless mentors that immediately leave and then queue back in 3 times in a row only to leave again each time. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
If you're a PVE mentor and die 5 times consecutively on Alte Roite normal, maybe it's time to ditch the crown!

If you can't handle the content in the roulette and aren't willing to teach it, do us all a favor and just stop queuing.

[Lufir]

During my time doing mentor roulettes, most of the players were queuing through Duty Finder for extreme trials because they had a quest and didn't know about Party Finder. These players also seemed to lack decent gear while ignoring chat log and avoid any tips for the fights. It was extremely rare that I got a party that wanted to do the fight learning it the original, synced way (even though they have been severely nerfed and accompanied by echo).

Teaching players to use the Party Finder for extremes instead of going blind in a duty is actually a lot of help.