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    Valkyrie_Lenneth's Avatar
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    Lynne Asteria
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    Quote Originally Posted by SoranRigel View Post
    I am inexpressibly pleased with people who over and over again carry out the same (and, apparently, the only known to them) strategy, not paying attention to the changed realities and context.
    What changed realities and context do you speak of? Unless someone says something at the start, why would you deviate from the norm?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth View Post
    What changed realities and context do you speak of? Unless someone says something at the start, why would you deviate from the norm?
    Why don't you read the previous comments?
    Or is it "dispute for dispute" again? Sorry, I'm not interested.
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    By the way, to the question of banning DPS meters.
    Judging by what is happening in the game (and what is happening in it is a real hazing), DPS meters is not the most pressing problem. However, no one has been fighting hazing for so many years. Question: why?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SoranRigel View Post
    By the way, to the question of banning DPS meters.
    Judging by what is happening in the game (and what is happening in it is a real hazing), DPS meters is not the most pressing problem. However, no one has been fighting hazing for so many years. Question: why?
    I think that we do not need a DPS-meter, but Arrogance-meter would be very useful. In fact, there is not much difference, which is the reason for neglect of other people, a high DPS or a crown icon.
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    Barraind Faylestar
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    One would think in a run of Ala Mhigo or heck, Holminster Switch the tank in all Scavean gear would pull wall to wall. But it is not the standard,
    It is absolutely the standard.

    Also, your trust healer can keep you up through long pulls, but you'll die of boredom because the dps dont AE, because they're pants on head awful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barraind View Post
    It is absolutely the standard.

    Also, your trust healer can keep you up through long pulls, but you'll die of boredom because the dps dont AE, because they're pants on head awful.
    Not everyone adheers to "The Standard". y'know.

    I could be in full augmented Scaevan and still pull small groups in Holminster, purely because I personally am not confident in my ability as a tank. Or I don't trust the healer to such a degree. Or I KNOW the healers class struggles in large pulls (AST)

    Again, different people with different playstyles. So long as the dungeon gets done and you don't wipe, it shouldn't matter. You're still spending the same amount of time fighting and moving. Wall-to-wall isn't inherently quicker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenky View Post
    Wall-to-wall isn't inherently quicker.
    Yes, it is, if people AOE.
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    Lilac Blackthorne
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hash_Browns View Post
    Yes, it is, if people AOE.
    I think what Kenky is saying is Wall-to-Wall is normally quicker. But, if you end up wiping the wall to wall pull you'll end up wasting more time then just doing smaller pulls.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barraind View Post
    It is absolutely the standard.

    Also, your trust healer can keep you up through long pulls, but you'll die of boredom because the dps dont AE, because they're pants on head awful.
    I like big pulls as a healer and as a tank, but I also like common sense. There is no point in making big pulls where other players obviously can't handle it. You will spend more time trying to fix this mistake, trying to do at least something with mobs. And, please, do not tell me: "So you do not know your work well enough". Situations and random groups can be completely different. And I won’t force the healer or the DPS or the tank to make large pulls if they are uncomfortable with it. Even if someone said that this is the "standard". Honestly, I was very sad to see how some "mentors" literally force newcomers to do what they consider standard, regardless of their capabilities or their comfort and I don’t understand how long someone should meet someone’s invented "standards", even though he/she came just to play and have a good time.
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    Lastelli Sungsem
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    Quote Originally Posted by RajNish View Post
    I like big pulls as a healer and as a tank, but I also like common sense. There is no point in making big pulls where other players obviously can't handle it.
    You make it seem like big pulls are hard...

    Tanks aoe aggro generation is comically op and only requires the tank to spam a 2 hit combo. The healer can keep the tank alive just doing cure 2 and most dps have a simple 2-3 step aoe combo.

    Most people learn this by level 30. That's why wall-to-wall pulls are the standard. Honestly, I don't even remember the last time I was in a party where the tank didn't do big pulls.

    At this point, you're just trying to find excuses for players that don't read tooltips.
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