Mentors...please!

[AmeliaVerves]

I don't see why anyone should go sweaty mode covering all that damage group's recieving in normal content if it wasn't agreed before that, mentor or not.

Big pulls are the standard in dungeons bc most ppl can handle them fairly well. If you are for whatever reason uncomfortable speak up and tell your teammates so they know and can adjust.

[Gula]

Big pulls are the standard in dungeons bc most ppl can handle them fairly well. If you are for whatever reason uncomfortable speak up and tell your teammates so they know and can adjust.

No, they are not. Consider the following:

Jump Potions
Trusts

One would think in a run of Ala Mhigo or heck, Holminster Switch the tank in all Scavean gear would pull wall to wall. But it is not the standard, it's what people want the standard to be. If it were the standard, your Trust healer could keep you going and the DPS would be using AOEs and heavy damage. They do not. And in the actual official XIV gameplay guide that I believe was released to JP only, there were discrepancies from what the guide said vs what players normally do.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

No, they are not. Consider the following:

Jump Potions
Trusts

One would think in a run of Ala Mhigo or heck, Holminster Switch the tank in all Scavean gear would pull wall to wall. But it is not the standard, it's what people want the standard to be. If it were the standard, your Trust healer could keep you going and the DPS would be using AOEs and heavy damage. They do not. And in the actual official XIV gameplay guide that I believe was released to JP only, there were discrepancies from what the guide said vs what players normally do.

OK. The standard on NA servers in endgame dungeons is to pull wall to wall. You can also do it in leveling dungeons if your party isn't severely undergeared.

Trusts do single pulls without AoEs because they are supposed to be slower than a normal run.

[LineageRazor]

One would think in a run of Ala Mhigo or heck, Holminster Switch the tank in all Scavean gear would pull wall to wall. But it is not the standard, it's what people want the standard to be. If it were the standard, your Trust healer could keep you going and the DPS would be using AOEs and heavy damage. They do not. And in the actual official XIV gameplay guide that I believe was released to JP only, there were discrepancies from what the guide said vs what players normally do.

It's the PLAYERS who decide what the standard is, not the developers. What do most parties do when they enter a casual dungeon? Pull wall to wall. That makes them the standard, whatever the developers originally intended. Behavior of NPCs in those same dungeons is completely irrelevant.

It also would not surprise me in the least if the devs DELIBERATELY made the Trust NPCs slow, in order to encourage folks to use Duty Finder more often. Gotta fill those parties, after all! Additionally, I'm guessing that if everyone was running dungeons solo with NPCs rather than in parties of four NPCs, the number of dungeon servers required would quadruple, so it's in their interest to discourage NPC runs. The option is there if you want it, but playing with other players is the preferred option for getting those Tomestones FAST.

[Gula]

It's the PLAYERS who decide what the standard is, not the developers. What do most parties do when they enter a casual dungeon? Pull wall to wall. That makes them the standard, whatever the developers originally intended. Behavior of NPCs in those same dungeons is completely irrelevant.

It also would not surprise me in the least if the devs DELIBERATELY made the Trust NPCs slow, in order to encourage folks to use Duty Finder more often. Gotta fill those parties, after all! Additionally, I'm guessing that if everyone was running dungeons solo with NPCs rather than in parties of four NPCs, the number of dungeon servers required would quadruple, so it's in their interest to discourage NPC runs. The option is there if you want it, but playing with other players is the preferred option for getting those Tomestones FAST.

If it were the players job to dictate the standard, they would be on the payroll to decide what's what. They are not. There is no universal agreement on any single thing in this game. Not even on the price of mogstation because some people out there wholly believe it's ok for emotes to be $7.

The individual makes their own standards, and they play by it. The individual is also by no means the law for the whole.

[RajNish]

It's the PLAYERS who decide what the standard is

There are a lot of players. Everyone has different player skills. And this is not such a difficult game to define any standards here. The only standard is comfortable and efficient work of the group.

If someone put their comfort at the forefront, not paying attention to the fact that the group for some reason can’t do this, this is not the standard, this is silliness.

And it’s all the more foolish to try to comply with some standard, when your tank dies every 2 minutes, healer uses only a physick, and DPS did not change their gear from level 60.

[SoranRigel]

@Alaeacus, I would like to quote the advice that sounded here.
1. If you disagree with the moderation policy, you can always file a report or discuss it in a forum. The report is quite enough to solve the conflict.
2. Maybe it 's your fault?

[SoranRigel]

@rachcouture, so far, your words sound like "do not dare to speak here about what is unpleasant to me and does not apply to my experience."
As already mentioned here, any system has flaws, and it takes a lot of willpower to change this. Do not try to imagine the situation as if it were my personal, unique negative experience. Not. It doesn’t work like that. Denial, gagging, distortion, and ignoring do not work.
We will talk here about what is important to us.

[Hatfright]

Big pulls are the standard in dungeons bc most ppl can handle them fairly well. If you are for whatever reason uncomfortable speak up and tell your teammates so they know and can adjust.

You're not wrong, and I'm doing that, I assure you. In most competent groups there's no need to speak up on this however. People see their teammates struggling with dodging and dpsing at the same time or if dps is too low as it is, w\o all running around in circles, and just plain not pulling foolishly big in small quarters. I'm thankful for that and as a fellow part-time tank really appresiate it, no matter what role I play.
But going all sweaty if group clearly can't or don't want to (for whatever reason) handle? No thanks.

[SoranRigel]

I am inexpressibly pleased with people who over and over again carry out the same (and, apparently, the only known to them) strategy, not paying attention to the changed realities and context.