Mentors...please!

[RajNish]

I gotta be honest: you can be whatever ilvl and still have less IQ than a rock. If you are capable of breathing and play long enough you will eventually have enough commendations and classes leveled to become a mentor. It doesn't mean this applies to all mentors tho and I truly believe some are really nice ppl and honestly want to help.

I agree to this decision and would have done the same. But the circumstances are somewhat different since it was a premade group that came together and actively decided and chose to play together, right? I find it hard to apply the same rules for DF content like dungeons, but as I said before: SE accepts 'difference in playstyle' as a valid reason to kick someone, so ppl should make use of that system in those cases.

An unspoken agreement applies in random groups, I suppose. And the concept of "difference in playstyle" is very unclear. However, some functions could be improved, at least the user interface. Speaking of the reports, the option "Harassment" should be next to the "RMT" with right-clicking menu, for example. The blacklist should include random match-making.

[Banriikku]

This thread is "Mentor". Who is talking about this now ?
@ RaiNish - you didnt answer any questions. You are avoiding. I used a very rude way to see if you even try to keep this thread at topic or if you have a explanation and reasoning.

You are make claims without prove or explanation, changes the subject to a diffrent direction and shift the conservation to off topic.
You make claims "the comm is...", "player behavior in DF...", "playerbehavior in PF...." is althogether not Mentor related. You even talked about disabilities and so on. I cant see your stance beyond - Comm is toxic, Mentor is toxic. You dont even give reason for this. What dou you even want ? First you want the punishment for not giving advice as mentor and on the other hand you find the fine for bailing (30min) too much.

You say "stress the group is toxic" but to be honest - What are you talking about ? Not following orders from another player?
A the commendation system need to be changed ? But why is this even an argument ? Who disagress in this specific part?
Then you even claim that beeing silent is malicious motiv. What should be reportable? Not clicking? Not rolling for loot ? Missing a mechs ? Not talking in chat? Too much talking in chat ? Use of macros ?

Oh and by the way : Different playstyle vote kick is already explained from a GM. You claim "this is unclear" is wrong. Its a tool to allow players to manage themselfs. Not perfect but its working. A perfect tool wich cant be absused dont exist and will never. As many people said before report all abuse, cheating and any ToS breaking behavior.
Talk with your fellow players and see whats wrong - if you asume everytime the worst you will get only the worst.

If you dislike a specific player behavior and this behavior is not as rule breaking defined you have 2 options : leave and take a fine or ask for a change.

Player behavior that you dislike is not directly linked to Mentor. This is just prejudgment from your site. Bad gameplay is not related to the IQ of the player thats more than rude and should not be part of the discussion at all.

But let me assume : No answer, a quote from some one famous and more off topic with assumptions and accusations?

[RajNish]

But also fact might be I'm a veteran healer, might be struggle to a newer one who isnt so confident im their skills.

In this game I am not a veteran healer, unlike you. I am not ashamed to admit it. In addition, I am a clicker and playing with one hand because of physical reasons (due to the irreparable consequences of an injury). And I don’t find this play style friendly.

But let me assume : No answer, a quote from some one famous and more off topic with assumptions and accusations?

I am really sorry that you did not see my direct answers and examples that I gave here. But this is not my problem.

[Neoom]

In this game I am not a veteran healer, unlike you. I am not ashamed to admit it. In addition, I am a clicker and playing with one hand because of physical reasons (due to the irreparable consequences of an injury). And I don’t find this play style friendly.

Nothing shame on it, I didn't start as a great healer so nothing wrong with it. But what I did learn is to communicate with the tank, "I'm not comfortable with big pulls", or "I'm not geared enough for bigger pulls, please pull less". IF the tank doesn't listen, kick. If they throw an insult, kick AND report. But do try to communicate your limits, all you need to say is "pull small please", most people listen. Since you have something limiting your gameplay it's important to make sure you don't have to "over do" yourself, but nothing else works than communicating with your party/tank.

[RajNish]

Nothing shame on it, I didn't start as a great healer so nothing wrong with it. But what I did learn is to communicate with the tank, "I'm not comfortable with big pulls", or "I'm not geared enough for bigger pulls, please pull less". IF the tank doesn't listen, kick. If they throw an insult, kick AND report. But do try to communicate your limits, all you need to say is "pull small please", most people listen. Since you have something limiting your gameplay it's important to make sure you don't have to "over do" yourself, but nothing else works than communicating with your party/tank.

I'm not bad with large pulls now, cause practice, practice and practice. Not fine with all, but usually I can handle most of them. I know how tank and healing mechanics work. Your advice is useful, and special thanks for it. No jokes and irony. But not everyone listens "pull small please". I’ll only say that I wrote reports about all these people, but I don’t know what result it had. Well, you understand, I hope.

[Neoom]

I'm not bad with large pulls now, cause practice, practice and practice. Not fine with all, but usually I can handle most of them. I know how tank and healing mechanics work. Your advice is useful, and special thanks for it. No jokes and irony. But not everyone listens "pull small please". I’ll only say that I wrote reports about all these people, but I don’t know what result it had. Well, you understand, I hope.

I know, that's why i said if they don't listen, you have every right to kick, you know your own limits and if you told them that and they ignore it, get a new tank/healer who ever didn't respect your limits. And yes I do understand, trust me I do. You can only hope the report goes through, even when you don't know what penalty (if any) the player got.

[RajNish]

I know, that's why i said if they don't listen, you have every right to kick, you know your own limits and if you told them that and they ignore it, get a new tank/healer who ever didn't respect your limits. And yes I do understand, trust me I do. You can only hope the report goes through, even when you don't know what penalty (if any) the player got.

I'm glad we understood each other, really. Not so long ago, I told another tank that he took too much and asked him not to do this anymore, because I did not have the opportunity to keep him alive, especially without his CD's. He said, "I don't care, others did it". I just left the group and waited for my penalty.

[SoranRigel]

I just left the group and waited for my penalty.

Still, the fact that the fine goes to a player who doesn't break the rules is something very strange from a moral point of view.

[Neoom]

I'm glad we understood each other, really. Not so long ago, I told another tank that he took too much and asked him not to do this anymore, because I did not have the opportunity to keep him alive, especially without his CD's. He said, "I don't care, others did it". I just left the group and waited for my penalty.

In this case the penalty feels bad, and I have been in same spot, it sucks it really does. But if others refuse to kick them there isn't really much to do after that :c But knowing changing the kick system would break things since it already can be abused by group of friends who decide they don't like you.. But doesn't mean it's prefect either, far from it..

[Hatfright]

Slitly off-topic here, but couldn't help myself.

item level 310 is already being overgeared for that place, so it should not be that hard.

Assuming DPS knows what they're doing and not dying to aoes, yes. Otherwise, no, not really. You only have that much mana and that much aoe heals. With tank constantly trying to off himself with aoes as well... I don't see why anyone should go sweaty mode covering all that damage group's recieving in normal content if it wasn't agreed before that, mentor or not.