Mentors...please!

[Rairai]

I think that it would be good for the mentor to know what they are getting into, but that doesn't mean you should join and just leave. My point of this is that just joining and leaving is not cool in general. If you don't want to do extremes or attempt to teach it they, shouldn't join a mentor roulette. Thank you for replying.

[Zazay]

I think that it would be good for the mentor to know what they are getting into, but that doesn't mean you should join and just leave.

Unfortunately, this is an issue not solely related to mentors. A lot of non-mentors do that, including sprouts (which are probably alt characters=

[EaMett]

On the flip side, there should also be a warning when entering your first extreme trial saying "hey, this is content that is meant for when you know your job and role well, and understand the finer points of group play"

I've taught 7 noobs moogle ex in mentor roulette and got a clear. It took almost the entirety of the 60 minutes and only the echo allowed for the clear. They were in no way ready for the content.

I got lucky had had people who listened. Most don't.

This. How many times have I had sprouts just chain pull and completely ignore chat in ex trials. Can't teach anyone in these conditions. That or I'll ask if anyone has read a guide, get met with silence, explain stuff and have them not follow anything for 30mn straight before some other mentor triggers (rightfully so) a vote abandon. The content shouldn't be unsynched but in NA it should be PFed and I definitely remind people of this when I get a chance.

With that said. I barely do mentor roulette anymore because I've started getting MSQ roulette and I hate it. Not sure if it was always like that and I got lucky or if they added that in recently.. But there's nothing to teach and it's just a huge boring time sink.

[RokkuEkkusu]

This. How many times have I had sprouts just chain pull and completely ignore chat in ex trials. Can't teach anyone in these conditions. That or I'll ask if anyone has read a guide, get met with silence, explain stuff and have them not follow anything for 30mn straight before some other mentor triggers (rightfully so) a vote abandon. The content shouldn't be unsynched but in NA it should be PFed and I definitely remind people of this when I get a chance.

With that said. I barely do mentor roulette anymore because I've started getting MSQ roulette and I hate it. Not sure if it was always like that and I got lucky or if they added that in recently.. But there's nothing to teach and it's just a huge boring time sink.

For Mentor Roulettes, I end up favoring and doing much better on the MSQ Roulette dungeons with the unskippable cutscenes than the EX Trials synced because of the reasons you stated. I can at least "Clear" the dungeons with the unskippable cutscenes, instead of risking going into an EX Primal instance where there is at least one person who doesn't follow any advice typed out and the high chances of party wipes with much lower chances of clearing.

[LalaRu]

...there should also be a warning when entering your first extreme trial saying "hey, this is content that is meant for when you know your job and role well, and understand the finer points of group play"...

Such warning best suited when you check the duty than entering it, or else it is too late!

[ReiMakoto]

Whilst I certainly understand that the mentor system needs rework, mentors atm are thrown into a situation when they get extremes where:

A) People don't listen
B) People don't understand extreme content requires certain knowledge that is not communicated
C) People rejecting advice
and Most importantly D) Being put into a group full of people who do not speak the same language as you. Being on a european data center, if I go into a mentor roullete and am met with a bunch of F and D players who clearly cannot understand english despite having it ticked, I'm gonna eat the penalty at that point if there's new people in the party, no one can reasonably be expected to mentor in that scenario, and honestly, its the most common situation myself and other people on EU I speak to seem to find themself in.

All the above leaves a sour taste in anyones mouth, and despite people saying "well its your job to mentor them", you cannot reasonably expect people to want to stay in those conditions. In the ideal world you would get parties full of sprouts eager to learn, in reality you get a confused mess.

[Rairai]

Then don't ready up for the mentor roulette. If you are so worried about getting things like that just don't do it. That's the whole point, you shouldn't be doing it if you are so frightened to get extremes. There are those who want to learn and I see it very often, more often than not.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Then don't ready up for the mentor roulette. If you are so worried about getting things like that just don't do it. That's the whole point, you shouldn't be doing it if you are so frightened to get extremes. There are those who want to learn and I see it very often, more often than not.

No, most people are queueing up just because they got the quest and that's what they did with every other quest that had a duty.

You are definitely wrong in thinking people who are new know what the extreme fights are. Some will be willing to listen and learn, but the majority of time, people don't even read that chat, and if they do, they don't listen to mechanic advice.


Also, to an early point in your first post, you cannot do mentor roulette for exp. You have to be lvl 80 with a certain ilvl.

[Rairai]

It doesn't matter if they know what they are or not. You can go in and tell them, and what this shows is that most mentors can't wait 15 mins to see if they can progress or not. If you can't be patient for that long and they (sprouts) are still trying with you and are willing to learn. If they aren't they will leave and you can follow suit. The whole point of this post is for the mentors who abuse it.

[ReiMakoto]

Then don't ready up for the mentor roulette. If you are so worried about getting things like that just don't do it. That's the whole point, you shouldn't be doing it if you are so frightened to get extremes. There are those who want to learn and I see it very often, more often than not.

Im not frieghtened to get extremes, you missed the point completely of my post, if I come into an extreme and theres even one person who doesn't speak the same language (which is very common on EU) the chance of clearing goes down so low that you needed bother unless there happenes to be someone else who could try and translate. I sign up to mentor roullete to help people, but if people don't want to learn, or cannot communicate which seems to be the majority of my mentor roulletes of late, then the problem is with them and the system, not the mentors themselves, as I said, I'm in favour of an overhaul of the mentoring system, but putting it all on the mentors just because you have anecdotes on people being very willing to learn is not doing any favours.