Mentors...please!

[Thamorian]

I would be very grateful if you would not resort to the victim blaming.
Because of this vicious practice, I have repeatedly found myself in a situation where my groupmates refused to kick a mentor who was rude to them. Perhaps they also thought "it's our fault".

So you found yourself in a situation where other people in the party did not find the mentor to be a problem, only you found the mentor to be a problem? Maybe the mentor wasn't the problem then? Takes 50% to kick someone out of a party. Only 2 people needed in a party of 4, the 1 who initiated the kick and 1 other. 4 needed in a party of 8, the 1 who initiated the kick and 3 others. It's a good thing it takes more than 1 person one to kick someone.

This thread has turned into a complete joke.

[Alaeacus]

The only thing I've gotten out of this thread is that OP and their friend need to spend less time spamming with pseudo-intellectual fallacies and significantly more on self-critiquing how they approach/converse with others. When your confirmation bias reaches this level of extreme, the problem isn't with others; it's with you.

Regardless, playing a perpetual blame game doesn't accomplish anything. If you feel a mentor—or anyone for that matter—has crossed a line, then report them. All of the tools you need to solve the problem are there, and easily accessible to everyone.

I would be very grateful if you would not resort to the victim blaming.

Lmfao. Today I learned that critiquing somebody's argumentation method and conversational gaffes is "victim blaming". You are becoming a meme at this point. It must suck to have paper-thin skin.

[RajNish]

The only thing I've gotten out of this thread is that OP and their friend need to spend less time spamming with pseudo-intellectual fallacies and significantly more on self-critiquing how they approach/converse with others. When your confirmation bias reaches this level of extreme, the problem isn't with others; it's with you.

Regardless, playing a perpetual blame game doesn't accomplish anything. If you feel a mentor—or anyone for that matter—has crossed a line, then report them. All of the tools you need to solve the problem are there, and easily accessible to everyone.

All this, of course, sounds good, but no. When a mentor says that mechanics was failed because half of the raid alliance are French, is it my fault? Not. When a mentor, insults novices calling them idiots. Is it my fault? Not. And finally, when do the GMs themselves propose me to discuss the problem on the forum after one of my reports, it’s convenient for you to turn a blind eye to this and repeat the same thing about reporting. Reports will not change the system. Therefore, I will discuss it on the forum.

[rachcouture]

I have to repeat: if these tools existed and were functional, this discussion would not have arisen.

They're entirely functional. I've had nothing but pleasant experiences interacting with the GMs of this game every time I've reported abusive/discriminatory behavior.

I would be very grateful if you would not resort to the victim blaming.
Because of this vicious practice, I have repeatedly found myself in a situation where my groupmates refused to kick a mentor who was rude to them. Perhaps they also thought "it's our fault".

And I'd be grateful if you wouldn't mock genuine victims of abuse and assault by misappropriating the term 'victim blaming'.

That you'd rather falsely victimize yourself instead of taking a moment to self crit proves my point entirely. You'd rather point fingers over one bad experience than admit a possible personal fault.

All this, of course, sounds good, but no. When a mentor says that mechanics was failed because half of the raid alliance are French, is it my fault? Not. When a mentor, insults novices calling them idiots. Is it my fault? Not. And finally, when do the GMs themselves propose me to discuss the problem on the forum after one of my reports, it’s convenient for you to turn a blind eye to this and repeat the same thing about reporting. Reports will not change the system. Therefore, I will discuss it on the forum.

No, what's convenient is perpetually plugging your ears and refusing to listen to any viewpoint that doesn't confirm yours. Yes, you are welcome to discuss what you want, but that doesn't mean other people have to agree with you. Freedom of speech isn't freedom from consequence.

There are no flaws with the system(s); only self-made problems by two people patting each other on the back.

[Hatfright]

There are no flaws with the system(s)

As was mentioned before, whole "get some comms to become a mentor" is kinda flawed. Not having a properly working black list is kind of a flaw itself too.
So, I'll agree to disagree.

[RajNish]

Yes, you are welcome to discuss what you want, but that doesn't mean other people have to agree with you. Freedom of speech isn't freedom from consequence.

I do not ask, and, moreover, I do not force you to agree with me. Discussions are good because people express different opinions, and the fact that your opinion differs from mine is completely normal. I see no reason to be so annoyed.

[SoranRigel]

If you feel a mentor—or anyone for that matter—has crossed a line, then report them. All of the tools you need to solve the problem are there, and easily accessible to everyone.

I have to repeat: if these tools existed and were functional, this discussion would not have arisen.

[SoranRigel]

It is highly unlikely that players will support the idea of sorting likes.
People are lazy, and to complicate the system means increasing the number of clicks for lazy people. This can lead to the fact that players generally cease to give recommendations - this is already happening at expert roulettes.

A working blacklist, in which you can put a toxic player in and never get into roulette with him again, is a fairly simple solution.

[SoranRigel]

So you found yourself in a situation where other people in the party did not find the mentor to be a problem, only you found the mentor to be a problem? Maybe the mentor wasn't the problem then?

If this gaming community is so tolerant of toxic behavior, this is also a problem.

[Jojoya]

If this gaming community is so tolerant of toxic behavior, this is also a problem.

We don't know what happened so we don't know that the behavior was rude let alone toxic.

Could it be you were overly sensitive to whatever happened?

Again, we don't know. We weren't there. We do know that the rest of the group didn't agree with you.