Mentors...please!

[Banriikku]

@ Soran Riegel
So you made a assumption based on your opinion and others dont followed them and then you are assumed others are the problem ? I hope i missunderstand you.
And one single case proves nothing. And we dont know the circumstances so we dont even know if this case is applicable to our question.

You have your opinion and wanted said opinion be heard. And wanted just people to agree. I disagree with most of your statements because you cant/dont want to? give a reasoning behind your statements and especially wont give evidence. I would say lets see if the next Liveletter brings some news regarding this matter. Wish you a good day/afternoon/night and much fun in the game.
If you wish to discuss and stop playing the eccho-chamber-game people in this forum will happly read your statements and reasoning / evidence.
@Neoom yup.

[RajNish]

And one single case proves nothing. And we dont know the circumstances so we dont even know if this case is applicable to our question.

This is not one case. These are a few cases and several reports. I am grateful for your suggestions for system. They are of the greatest importance. All bickering will remain nothing more than a scandal on the market square. You can do it or not, it's your choice.

[SoranRigel]

So far, of the constructive proposals that have been made here, the most constructive (and easily realized) is to deprive mentors of all privileges and awards and to make help to newbies truly selfless.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

So far, of the constructive proposals that have been made here, the most constructive (and easily realized) is to deprive mentors of all privileges and awards and to make help to newbies truly selfless.

Well, I guess we have to get rid of novice network then, since that's seen by many as a reward for being a mentor. And any special mentor icon has to go. So basically, to make mentors work in xiv involves removing the entire feature. Then people can just ask anyone for help like normal.

[SoranRigel]

Well, I guess we have to get rid of novice network then, since that's seen by many as a reward for being a mentor. And any special mentor icon has to go. So basically, to make mentors work in xiv involves removing the entire feature. Then people can just ask anyone for help like normal.

Maybe someone else will make a rational offer. It would be really nice to hear him. For example, somehow reorganize the "add to blacklist" system to avoid getting into roulettes with these people (I know a game in which this is well implemented - Star Wars: The Old Republic).
Or introduce a point system to evaluate mentors.
In short, to offer what would actually work.

But the hardest thing right now is that the gaming community is passive and taking toxicity as the norm. The toxicity of ordinary players was mentioned here. Yes, alas, it 's true. And something needs to be done about that, too. But for now we can start with mentors, as they, taking on this role, signed up to the rules of the game and have privileges from their status.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Maybe someone else will make a rational offer. It would be really nice to hear him. For example, somehow reorganize the "add to blacklist" system to avoid getting into roulettes with these people (I know a game in which this is well implemented - Star Wars: The Old Republic).
Or introduce a point system to evaluate mentors.
In short, to offer what would actually work.

But the hardest thing right now is that the gaming community is passive and taking toxicity as the norm. The toxicity of ordinary players was mentioned here. Yes, alas, it 's true. And something needs to be done about that, too. But for now we can start with mentors, as they, taking on this role, signed up to the rules of the game and have privileges from their status.

A grading system with points is a bad idea, that simply allows new players to either hold mentors hostage with the threat of bad ratings, or people will just misuse them, or it'll be like commendations and worthless.


As for the other, you could then have issues where groups of people blacklist players vindictively. This again, would be misused and cause issues. You could effectively lock someone out of duty finder with that.

Plus, people farmed commendations by using friends. What makes think they wouldn't do the same with a grading point system. Get friends to make new chars, queue up for obscure duty, get high ratings. Repeat.

[SoranRigel]

A grading system with points is a bad idea, that simply allows new players to either hold mentors hostage with the threat of bad ratings, or people will just misuse them, or it'll be like commendations and worthless.

Reasonable.

As for the other, you could then have issues where groups of people blacklist players vindictively. This again, would be misused and cause issues. You could effectively lock someone out of duty finder with that.

Um, you probably misunderstood me. "Blacklist" exists to ensure that personally you no longer get into dungeons with this person.
At the same time, we did not have any problems with the recruitment of the group.
It is a simple and effective method of preventing conflicts and creating a comfortable environment.

[Tamhas]

As for the other, you could then have issues where groups of people blacklist players vindictively. This again, would be misused and cause issues. You could effectively lock someone out of duty finder with that.

I don`t quite understand what the problem is? "Add to the blacklist" does not mark an ordinary player or mentor with some bad symbol. It 's not a black mark, is it? This feature simply allows you not to meet (anywhere) the person or people who are rude, toxic, don 't read chat or even just unpleasant. What happens if two sides that didn 't like each other don 't meet? The conflict will not happen. As the Soran Rigel put it, this system has been really working in Star Wars: The Old Republic for many years.

[Neoom]

So far, of the constructive proposals that have been made here, the most constructive (and easily realized) is to deprive mentors of all privileges and awards and to make help to newbies truly selfless.

And we have stated that giving rewards is not the one making people toxic, toxic people are toxic rewarded or not. So punishing good mentors for few bad apples(A saying not a measurement, please dont take this out of context again) is also really wrong. As people have taken out of the statics of the rewards earned, how many mentors actually OWN the items/mount you get? If the case was over 50% then yes it would prove reward = bad, but its somewhere around 1% or below meaning its not whats making mentors toxic so taking rewards away wont fix your problem.