Is this topic going to be closed soon? We have two people adamantly making nothing but value arguments, who play the victim card every single time someone legitimately picks apart their arguments. They think minority opinions are factual evidence. If you don't agree with these two people they will call you rude, claim that you have some sort of social communication issue, and snidely imply that you need to work on getting better. I've seen both of them cry others are engaging in ad hominem attacks towards them, then turn around and shoot ad hominem attacks against their detractors. These two people are a brick wall and it's a waste of time trying to reason with them.