Mentors...please!

[SoranRigel]

You did the same to me, you took my answer out of context so I did the same to you

Transition to personalities, abeuses.
Thank you, your comments add to the clarity of the problem for which we are gathered here.

[Neoom]

Transition to personalities, abeuses.
Thank you, your comments add to the clarity of the problem for which we are gathered here.

The thing is with you and your friend, you dont actually listen to what any of us have to say unless its "OMG mentors are so bad and evil!!!!!", each one of us trying to make points on how its not a one wya road gets absolutely dismissed by you and your "evidence". So how I could talk to you in the kindest way possible, but if I dont agree with you or your point of view youre not gonna like me either way no matter how I present my point.

[Neoom]

The thing is with you and your friend, you dont actually listen to what any of us have to say unless its "OMG mentors are so bad and evil!!!!!", each one of us trying to make points on how its not a one wya road gets absolutely dismissed by you and your "evidence". So how I could talk to you in the kindest way possible, but if I dont agree with you or your point of view youre not gonna like me either way no matter how I present my point.

Made a typo and Im on mobile but should say "I could talk to you" without the how. Not that you care

[RajNish]

LOL! <…> It's mostly just people anecdotally complaining. So...bad example doesn't help your argument much.

One of the types of toxic discussion is the depreciation of the interlocutor's arguments, taking words out of context and mistakenly interpreting them, not paying attention to facts that contradict your idea. You have done this many times and continue to do the same.

The evidences that the SE clearly indicated the mentor’s qualities was given here several times. But you rejected the arguments one by one, including screenshots of the in-game message that was posted by other discussion participants. This is an exhaustive illustration of the fact that you, like some of my other opponents, do not accept constructive dialogue.

By the way, if we talk not only about gaming, but also about Internet etiquette, yours and my points of view may not fundamentally coincide for many reasons, but this is not a reason for passive and active verbal aggression. I hope that you can solve this problem in the future and successfully socialize in the communities of which you strive to be a part.

As for the reports, as I said above, this is not enough. GMs cannot and do not have the authority to change a system that has been working with overt violations for several years. So the appeals to developers with the request to change and modify the mentoring system appear and will appear on this forum, whether you like it or not.

Maybe because of this entire thread, and the many before, repeatedly thrashing mentors without possibly looking at the sprouts who have bad attitudes is enough to set my ire on point. Y'all need to stop.

The mentors have to suck it up and smile, right? That's what it means to wear the crown. Just take it, right? RIGHT? NAAAAAAAH.

Do you hope you will be understood, using Caps Lock? Did you know that in many cases such a text is recognized as a scream?

Unfortunately, to understand screaming is very difficult. It’s hard for me to trust your words, because they have a lot of negative emotions and there is no desire to solve a problem or offer solutions, on your part at least.

If you are tired of new players who ignore your help and mentor’s role, maybe something goes wrong?

And finally. Let me remind you that this forum is a free discussion platform where players can express opinion in a polite and correct manner and discuss what is important to them. Therefore, I will not stop.

[SoranRigel]

The thing is with you and your friend, you dont actually listen to what any of us have to say unless its "OMG mentors are so bad and evil!!!!!", each one of us trying to make points on how its not a one wya road gets absolutely dismissed by you and your "evidence". So how I could talk to you in the kindest way possible, but if I dont agree with you or your point of view youre not gonna like me either way no matter how I present my point.

I 've read your point.
I understood her as an excuse for an abuse from mentors and an attempt to shift attention from this problem.
I disagree with that approach. Please do not change or distort my words, it is a bad tactic to conduct discussion.

[Neoom]

I 've read your point.
I understood her as an excuse for an interview from mentors and an attempt to shift attention from this problem.
I disagree with that approach. Please do not change or distort my words, it is a bad tactic to conduct discussion.

Thats what you do thought. You took my words out of context and changed them so it looked like I was saying its okay to be toxic while trying to only make a point how hard it is to help people with language barrier. It doesnt feel great in this end too. Since in no where have I stated its okay for ANYONE to be abusive or toxic more so being against it as I have stated so you taking my words out of my mouth and twisting them into something bad when theyre not is also abusive you know?

[SoranRigel]

Thats what you do thought. You took my words out of context and changed them so it looked like I was saying its okay to be toxic while trying to only make a point how hard it is to help people with language barrier.

The difference between "insult" and "overcoming the language barrier" is huge.
In this topic, we discuss the insults and unacceptable behavior of so-called "mentors," whose hamstring behavior outside the game rules is unacceptable to justify, including the arguments you used.

If your dissatisfaction concerns other aspects, you, of course, like anyone present here, can have a separate topic to discuss them.

[Neoom]

The difference between "insult" and "overcoming the language barrier" is huge.
In this topic, we discuss the insults and unacceptable behavior of so-called "mentors," whose hamstring behavior outside the game rules is unacceptable to justify, including the arguments you used.

If your dissatisfaction concerns other aspects, you, of course, like anyone present here, can have a separate topic to discuss them.

Even if its ''off-topic'' doesnt mean I cant include it in my answer to someone as an point of view even if it has no meaning of being toxic. So taking it as it would be toxic or i say its okay to be a-hole in that aspect is wrong. So yes even if this topic if for talking about toxic mentors not EVERY point it made about it, off-topics happen and in that case reading the context of the message is quite important.

[SoranRigel]

Even if its ''off-topic'' doesnt mean I cant include it in my answer to someone as an point of view even if it has no meaning of being toxic.

You are again trying to move the discussion away from the main topic.
I have to repeat: here we discuss unacceptable behavior of "mentors" and numerous problems caused by the existing system of mentoring.
Do you have anything to say on the merits?
If not, I am not inclined to continue this discussion.

[Neoom]

You are again trying to move the discussion away from the main topic.
I have to repeat: here we discuss unacceptable behavior of "mentors" and numerous problems caused by the existing system of mentoring.
Do you have anything to say on the merits?
If not, I am not inclined to continue this discussion.

Nice way to dodge a bullet of being dismissive Im also not inclined to not be belittled or my words being taken the wrong way but here we are.