a question for healers.

[Mavrias]

It's "especially funny" to not be familiar with a dungeon and wanting to play it safe? Or perhaps they don't feel their gear is up to par with the dungeon?

See, you're the reason threads like this are made.

I'm sorry, when did i say anything about being new to the dungeon? My point is that you're not a new tank at 71.

[Malmstrom]

I'm sorry, when did i say anything about being new to the dungeon? My point is that you're not a new tank at 71.

You didn't.

You also didn't factor those things in when someone does small pulls or states they are new and inexperienced.

There are multiple things to consider when someone is tanking a dungeon, not just "Well they are leveled enough to be here, so they must know what they are doing."

[Mavrias]

You didn't.

You also didn't factor those things in when someone does small pulls or states they are new and inexperienced.

There are multiple things to consider when someone is tanking a dungeon, not just "Well they are leveled enough to be here, so they must know what they are doing."

Real talk, after a certain point, all trash pulls are inherently the same. So you can be as new to the dungeon as you wanna be (and i'd better be getting a bonus if that's the case), but its not anything really new. If you come into the dungeon with trash gear (e.g. less than HQ385 crafted in the example of Holminster Switch) that's your own fault and I'm absolutely gonna call you out for it. Maybe even leave rather than put up with you, depending on my mood. Kick you if its really a problem, although Square finally implementing a minimum item level mostly mitigated that.

Again, past a certain point you are absolutely not an inexperienced tank. People are gonna expect you to play like the level you are. Its why people tend to have more patience with the lvl 33 tanks making their way through brayflox than with the level 72 tanks single pulling the bear at the very beginning of Holminster.

So actually yeah, if youre leveled enough to be in a SB+ dungeon, i am going to expect you to know how to gear appropriately, tank trash and use cooldowns.

[Malmstrom]

Real talk, after a certain point, all trash pulls are inherently the same. So you can be as new to the dungeon as you wanna be (and i'd better be getting a bonus if that's the case), but its not anything really new. If you come into the dungeon with trash gear (e.g. less than HQ385 crafted in the example of Holminster Switch) that's your own fault and I'm absolutely gonna call you out for it. Maybe even leave rather than put up with you, depending on my mood. Kick you if its really a problem, although Square finally implementing a minimum item level mostly mitigated that.

Again, past a certain point you are absolutely not an inexperienced tank. People are gonna expect you to play like the level you are. Its why people tend to have more patience with the lvl 33 tanks making their way through brayflox than with the level 72 tanks single pulling the bear at the very beginning of Holminster.

So actually yeah, if youre leveled enough to be in a SB+ dungeon, i am going to expect you to know how to gear appropriately, tank trash and use cooldowns.

Got it. So you are, in fact, the reason why threads like this get made.

[Mavrias]

Got it. So you are, in fact, the reason why threads like this get made.

Nah, i don't pull ahead. I ask for larger pulls, and if the tank refuses to try then i leave. Bad tanks are the reason threads like this are made tbh.

[miraidensetsu]

Got it. So you are, in fact, the reason why threads like this get made.

And why tank anxiety exists.

[Ardox]

Real talk, after a certain point, all trash pulls are inherently the same. So you can be as new to the dungeon as you wanna be (and i'd better be getting a bonus if that's the case), but its not anything really new. If you come into the dungeon with trash gear (e.g. less than HQ385 crafted in the example of Holminster Switch) that's your own fault and I'm absolutely gonna call you out for it. Maybe even leave rather than put up with you, depending on my mood. Kick you if its really a problem, although Square finally implementing a minimum item level mostly mitigated that.

Again, past a certain point you are absolutely not an inexperienced tank. People are gonna expect you to play like the level you are. Its why people tend to have more patience with the lvl 33 tanks making their way through brayflox than with the level 72 tanks single pulling the bear at the very beginning of Holminster.

So actually yeah, if youre leveled enough to be in a SB+ dungeon, i am going to expect you to know how to gear appropriately, tank trash and use cooldowns.

Real talk here: some people level their tank with beast tribes or side content. I have all jobs at 70 and I will get it to 80, but I never tanked the vault or Doma castle.

[Mavrias]

Real talk here: some people level their tank with beast tribes or side content. I have all jobs at 70 and I will get it to 80, but I never tanked the vault or Doma castle.

Good thing there's still beast tribes and other side content to get you to 80 then, eh? Rather than you putting yourself in content that you're unwilling to try to cooperate with the group in, I mean.

Quite frankly tanking the Vault or Doma Castle are no different than tanking, Stone Vigil. You simply have more tools to survive with.

I understand that tanking isn't everybody's thing, but honestly if you feel so uncomfortable with the prospect you should avoid group content where people may have expectations that you can play your job according to the level you have it at. Like hey if you're actively trying or asking for tips no one minds, but outright refusal with the excuse of "i'm new" tends to rub people the wrong way.

[Ardox]

small pulls are boring and the "new inexperienced" tank (this excuse is especially funny in shb dungeons) is gonna be a nightmare at level cap if they don't ever learn how to wall pull properly while leveling.

I understand that tanking isn't everybody's thing, but honestly if you feel so uncomfortable with the prospect you should avoid group content where people may have expectations that you can play your job according to the level you have it at. Like hey if you're actively trying or asking for tips no one minds, but outright refusal with the excuse of "i'm new" tends to rub people the wrong way.

Nothing you said there makes any allusion about someone not asking tips or refusing advice. Quite the opposite if they take the time to tell you they are new and/or inexperienced.

And being inexperienced or new is a thing even at level 70, even in ShB dungeon. If someone want to try maining tank, they will have to go follow that learning curve and they will have to do group content whether you like it or not.

[Mavrias]

Nothing you said there makes any allusion about someone not asking tips or refusing advice. Quite the opposite if they take the time to tell you they are new and/or inexperienced.

And being inexperienced or new is a thing even at level 70, even in ShB dungeon. If someone want to try maining tank, they will have to go follow that learning curve and they will have to do group content whether you like it or not.

"Hey can you pull more." "No, I'm new to tanking."

So what part of that is asking for tips?

Nah, son. When you hit level 70 you will be treated like a level 70 player, not a level 15 one. Whether you jumped or fated your way there or not. No one's barring anyone from group content, but there should be no surprise when your group has expectations of you regardless of role.